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Old 11-06-2005, 09:01 PM   #1
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Spotting Scope?

Ok I'm getting in the market for a spotting scope, but the problem is I am a college student so I'm on the best bang for the buck budget. I'll borrow my friends tasco every now and then, but the thing just doesnt cut it, and I was wondering if there is a good bang for the buck spotting scope out there that i will actually be able to see stuff with. I usually shoot 200 and 300 yards, with a .223 so it would be nice to actually see where im at on the black rather than just guessing if its me or a possible wrinkle in the paper. How is the Bushnell 20-60x65 Trophy Spotting Scope? Is it worth the $200, or is there something else reccomended.

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Old 11-07-2005, 04:57 AM   #2
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From my experience, trying to see .22 caliber bullet holes at 300yds for $200 is going to be frustrating experience for you. The issue you'll find is that it isn't so much magnification that you need but lens clarity. You just don't get quality lens scopes for that low dollar. Now I know that there are scopes out there that can occasionally see the bullet hole IF the conditions are right but how often are they right? Also, .22 bullet holes at 300 yds is a pretty tall order for any scope. With all my talk about clarity, that won't be worth a darn if the wind is still and the mirage makes your target look like a belly dancer (okay, maybe not THAT good looking) dancing in your scope.
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Old 11-07-2005, 03:51 PM   #3
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Best bang for your buck you say? I have an Eagle Optics Raven with the angled eyepiece. It's $400. In good light I can see .22 holes at 200 and sometimes even 300. .30 cal holes are a given at 200 and 95% of the time at 300. I've found that if I can't see holes at 300 then noone else can either, no matter what scope they have. Take a look at them. Simp
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Old 11-07-2005, 04:02 PM   #4
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now is there any benefit to an angled eye piece vs a straight eyepiece or vise versa? or is it just a matter of preference?

thanks again
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Old 11-07-2005, 04:29 PM   #5
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I have owned a B&L and used a couple of inexpensive spotting scopes and got tired of them. The B&L could not reliably resolve a .30 caliber hole at 300 yards. I now own two Swarovski spotters, an AT80 and an ST80HD. I use the AT80 with a fixed 30x eyepiece and can see any size hole including .17 caliber at 100 yards. That being said the best bang for the buck is Kowa. Check out their 82mm line of scopes.

Seeing a .22 caliber hole in the black at 300 yards is tough even with high end scope. You need very fine resolution. .22 caliber is just over 4 arc seconds at 300 yards. You need resolution of about one fourth of the subtension of the target object (The .22 caliber hole) in order to see any detail. I suspect my HD scope can do this if I used a high quality telescope eyepiece (Televue for example) instead of the 20-60 zoom that I use for terrestrial viewing.
Old 11-07-2005, 04:42 PM   #6
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Definitely agree about (not) seeing .22 caliber holes at 300 yards. Even high end scopes would be strained to do so. Spotting scopes are used at longer distances to see the target markers, not the actual bullet holes. That assumes you have someone pulling for you in the butts.

I have a IOR Hermes 70mm spotting scope w/20-45X eyepiece that sold for $600 and I still don't see them .223 holes!

A straight eyepiece scope works best on a bench. The angled eyepiece is preferred when shooting offhand, sitting and prone. It allows you to look into the eyepiece with minimal movement of your body from your shooting position.

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Old 11-07-2005, 05:02 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Deuce426
now is there any benefit to an angled eye piece vs a straight eyepiece or vise versa?
Angled is better for spotting between shots. Using a scope stand you can view through the scope by thurning your head and looking through the scope while keeping the rifle pointed downrange. Helps alot when you're strapped into the sling. Straight through is better for wildlife viewing, photography etc.
Old 11-07-2005, 11:07 PM   #8
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Get one of these, and let me know if it is as good as advertised. If so, I need to get one too

He also sells Kowa scopes
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:50 AM   #9
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I've seen excellent reviews of these... ... e-kit.html

Sportsmans Guide sold them also. I have the 20x50 model.
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Old 11-08-2005, 07:57 AM   #10
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I have the Leupold Wind River spotting scope and I love it. I got it from Cabelas. it came with a nice case, but the traypod was a p.o.s. I was useing it at the 300 yard range on sunday, and they let you drive a car to the targes. I was able to read the license plate a 300 yards ( It was "M14 TRW"), you could also see the holes in the target. the guy next to me had a 45 power Leupold scope on his rem 700 (the same power has the Spotting scope) and I was useing my M1A whith no scope or bypod useing port ammo, and was not doing that bad.
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Old 11-08-2005, 08:10 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the tips and reccomendations... the more the merrier.
The Yukon 6-100x100 with the angled eye piece has caught my eye, and some places are offering nice deals on them. But how are these scopes... good quality, good image, etc? I wanna be sure Im gonna spend the money on something worth while... dont wanna spend it and regret it especially with my darn college bills...

Thanks again
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:21 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Deuce426
I wanna be sure Im gonna spend the money on something worth while... dont wanna spend it and regret it especially with my darn college bills...Thanks again
A safe bet would be to go with something over $400 then. Anything under that and you're really taking a chance IMO. Cry once and be done with it. Simp
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:35 PM   #13
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I always throw in my 2 cents when this question comes up. I bought a Nikon Sky / Earth Viewer 80mm Angled Eyepiece. Ive used it out to 200 yds with 7.62. No problem resolving the holes in the black- you could make out the worn edges of the paper even, if it wasnt a warm day. It was around $450 if i remember correctly. Lifetime Nikon warranty for original owners as well. (Works well for me as the Nikon facility is within 20 miles) I highly recommend it. If not this one, then spend the $$ and get a Kowa from Jim is a true gentleman. ... e_227.html

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Old 11-08-2005, 08:17 PM   #14
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I sat and waited for years to get one.....and then got a Cabellas model.....

And then 6 months later I got into comp shooting.....the only complaint I have is that I should have got the angled eye piece.

About $100 and some change for it................ its ok to good for distances to about 300 yards. I CAn see 22 holes on higher magnification (its a 18-36X) out to about 150.............

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Old 11-12-2005, 06:24 AM   #15
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Sometimes you can find a cheap scope that accidently has a combination of good lens and it will be very clear but that is about one in a thousand.

You can look at a scope in the gunshop and take it outside and look at stuff in the distance and be very impressed at how clear it appears to be but once you buy it and try to find holes in the black at 200 and 300 you will find that it is a POS.
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:17 AM   #16
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The only way I've ever been able to see .22 cal holes on a 300+ yard target consistently, is to walk downrange. If it is at least possible the place to go would be a benchrest site. If they can't do it, then you'd have to shoot next to the Palomar Observatory.
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:08 PM   #17
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I never worried about spending the dough on a spotting scope. I shoot at a 100-500yd rifle range, and I can't even see the holes in my targets on hot and hazey days past 200yds with a 20x rifle scope. I shoot the Shoot N C targets as much as possible just to make things as easy to see as possible.

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Old 11-14-2005, 03:44 PM   #18
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The original post didn't say you wanted it for competition. If that's the case. Save your money, and get some of those splat targets. I saw them on G&A TV . When hit they show a halo around the hole in bright green.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:00 PM   #19
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Shoot N C-type targets aren't legal for sanctioned competitions.

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