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|04-13-2005, 11:55 AM||#1|
Join Date: Jan 2005
ATN 5x33L scope info needed??
any one out there have one these ATN 5x33L scopes?? I am thinking about one for my AR, but don't know alot about them. the look like there well made, and have a nice tactical look to them!!
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|04-14-2005, 06:08 AM||#4|
Join Date: Jan 2005
wow, a P.O.S?? whats wrong with them?? i mean there not a cheap priced scope, i mean the 5x33l i am looking at, found a price of $159. maybe i'll stick with leupolds new rifleman series then?
|04-14-2005, 08:32 AM||#5|
Join Date: Mar 2004
leupold rifleman is a primitive outdated ripoff.
get anything but that
check the rifleman's features with any other similarly priced scope and prepare to be disappointed.
I know a lot of people will chime in with leupold's warranty and how good it is and how you will never need it, BUT don't forget leupold is not the only scope maker capable of selling a quality product.
here is a good compact scope for the money, with features that blow the loopy rifleman away:
fully multi coated lenses, click adjustments, lifetime warranty, and made in the USA. $180.00
this is what burris says about their scopes. note how they are not afraid to reveal the technical details:
"At Burris they’re proud of their accomplishments and proud to share them with you. They attempt to fully arm you with information so you can make an informed decision among brands and within the Burris brand. Dedicated exclusively to the premium optics category, many premium features are common throughout the Burris scope offering:
Ultra-pure premium grades of glass made to exacting standards. Some individual lenses cost more than entire scopes from other brands, but the results are astonishing clarity and brightness when looking through a Burris scope or binocular.
Every lens in every scope is HiLume® multi-chemical multicoated to transmit an average of 99.5% light transmission per lens surface to deliver you maximum brightness.
Scopes must take extreme jarring and intense vibration, and still maintain accuracy. That's why Burris' outer tubes are stronger than most and why many other components are built extra-tough.
Double internal spring force is standard on all Burris scopes.
All Burris adjustment systems are positive, repeatable, steel-on-steel, with audible clicks.
Moving internal parts are precision gauged and hand-fitted to a perfect-as-possible fit to withstand decades of abuse without failure.
Burris uses specially-made quad seals to provide double-insurance against leakage.
Each scope is filled and purged at least 24 times with laboratory grade dry nitrogen. Each nitrogen cycle absorbs airborne and residual surface moisture which is evacuated from the scope. Once this is done, not one hint of moisture is left in the scope, and it is guaranteed sealed for life.
Every scope is individually waterproof and fogproof tested.
Every rifle and handgun scope is warranted forever. "
now, this is what leupold says about their rifleman series. note how it is all marketing hype. they sell their reputation, not their product. a ri8fleman scope is just the cheapest way into the loopy club, not the best value in optics, not be a long shot:
"American-made. Accurate. Durable. Rugged. Reliable. These words are those most often said by hunters and recreational shooters when describing the features they most require in a riflescope. These words are also the best description of the Leupold® Rifleman™ riflescopes. Just as all Leupold Golden Ring® scopes, they are made in the U.S.A. Accuracy is assured by the use of fully coated lenses for a clear and bright sight picture, and the trustworthy Leupold erector system so long prized by shooters around the world. Hunters will also appreciate the wide field of view, generous eye relief, and the rapid target acquisition offered by the new Wide Duplex® reticle. The durable black matte finish of the sleek, ergonomic maintube resists the nicks, scratches, and abrasions common to field use. Of course, as a Leupold scope, it offers the legendary Leupold ruggedness, ensured by Leupold’s attention to detail in design, manufacturing, and assembly, all proven by our demanding testing procedures. As it’s a Rifleman scope, you know you’re getting your money’s worth, and since it’s a Leupold Golden Ring scope, you can be certain that it’s going to be reliable and waterproof year after year. That’s why, like all Leupold Golden Ring scopes, the Leupold Rifleman riflescope is covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee.
Leupold Rifleman Scope Features
Made in the U.S.A.
Offered at a price that’s startlingly affordable
Features the new Leupold Wide Duplex® reticle
Attractive, matte black finish
Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee "
don't confuse fully-coated with fully MULTI-coated. there is a difference.
sorry for the rant, but I really don't like to see people getting less that they expected.
|04-14-2005, 10:30 AM||#6|
Join Date: Feb 2003
I am not a big fan of the rifleman scopes either. I AM a big fan of the old Varri-X II and Varri-XIII scopes as am I of the 2X and 4X leupold pistol scopes. That is all I will have on my hunting rifles. I have used Leupold scopes since 1969 and have never had a problem withone of them. I own approx 28+ of them and some of them have been through hell and back more than once. I also base my thoughts on working in a gun shop and seeing what came in for repairs and what did not.
My second choice is a Burris scope. I do like them also.
The best scope for a 50 is the Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 NP-R2. I love my nightforce and at the price it better be good.
NO MATTER WHAT BRAND you use I suggest stay away from the lowest priced models. I have heard some nice things about the Nikons but there also they have had more trouble with the low-end ones according to several gun shops I know of.
|04-14-2005, 10:54 AM||#7|
Join Date: Aug 2004
buy a leupold VX-II or better. My farovite scope is my Leupold
VariX-III 4.5x14 LR/T (which have now been renamed the Mark 4...same scope)
Burris are good too.
I've read the cheapest Nikon isn't so good (they have cheap lenses, are made in the philippians etc)...but the better Nikons are good with good Japanese lenses, made in japan, etc.
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