Bushcraft & Survival Knives.

M118LR · 04-10-2017, 07:18 PM

Would I be going to far out on a limb to say that Mors Kochanski with his book "BUSHCRAFT" was the catalyst for today's Modern Buschcraft Mania?

I don't remember hearing much from the bushcraft crowd prior to attending JEST in 1970, so is this an evolving epidemic or did I just miss the earlier wave of enthusiasm?

Did Stallone start all this nonsense with his "RAMBO" film?

Did all of US that attended Military Training unwilling prior to the Survivalist/Prepper Movement spearhead this growing dogma?

And could someone tell me when then guards to keep your hands from skidding unto the blade edge became unwanted on a singular survival knife?

As I now find myself a member of a minority opinion, I'm just attempting to figure out where I went wrong even if I did survive. Thanks For the Input.

t-star · 04-11-2017, 07:35 AM

you do know that the original bushmaster by buck was requested by "our bunch
" back in the 70\s to replace the ka-bar ?- and those guards we'ren't there to keep your hand from slipping- they were anchor points for ropes and other material- the three blades all had different uses, the standard was used for ordinary knife purposes, the pointy bit on the backside was used for supposedly cutting rope, and the saw blade on the backside was for supposedly cutting through the aluminum skin of an aircraft- presumably after a so-called "hard" landing-the idea was to run your rope through the anchors with a couple of twists after you used the knife blade a hard anchor point- then they went to a hollow handle design which broke as soon as you looked at it- the mk3 mod 0was much better and handier being shorter- that was a LOT of useless weight carried for nothing- that thing was closer to a dagger than a knife- if you look at the mk3 mod 0, you will find the same blades, but the knife is much smaller, and it's full tang-regetably, I've long since lost/sold the bushmaster, but I still have 3 of the mk3 mod 0- 2 issued, I "acquired"

M118LR · 04-11-2017, 04:37 PM

Mk2: FSK: ASEK: Mk3: Mk2 MK13 combo.

WaltGraham · 04-11-2017, 04:54 PM

My Dad left me three things of note from his WW2 naval days; a Kabar in a plastic sheath, a M-10 snubbie and a flare gun.

SpecialEd · 04-12-2017, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WaltGraham

My Dad left me three things of note from his WW2 naval days; a Kabar in a plastic sheath, a M-10 snubbie and a flare gun.

That there should see you through most "situations" in life. Maybe a little ducktape and WD-40 for the trickier ones.

csmkersh · 04-13-2017, 04:52 AM

Ed, you might be surprised what you can fix with WD40 and a Bic lighter. BTDT

M118LR · 04-14-2017, 02:51 PM

Please excuse me until after Easter Vacation! A Grandfathers curse, I promise to delve into the Bushcraft side once I've meet all my obligatory commitments, in the meantime I'll be referencing Richard Graves and "Australian Bushcraft" along with "Northern Bushcraft" and Mor's Kochanski. And we can talk about differences of opinions.

Snake45 · 04-15-2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SpecialEd

That there should see you through most "situations" in life. Maybe a little ducktape and WD-40 for the trickier ones.

Add a Bic lighter and a paid-up Visa card and I'm good to go.

stand watie · 04-15-2017, 04:45 PM

To All,

Pardon me far saying that I'll stick with (pun INTENDED) with my old (1969-vintage) Gerber Commando dagger.
(My old Ralph Bone "Plain Jane" blade, which was my other OCONUS carry piece, was stolen out of my luggage in 2011 by someone from TSA or Delta Airlines. somewhere between checking my luggage at SAT & retrieving same at BWI.)

Note: Delta Airlines offered me 8.oo per POUND for it & then called back with a "final offer" of 25.oo.
(What I said in response was 2 words & it wasn't either MERRY CHRISTMAS nor HAPPY BIRTHDAY.)

yours, sw

GunGeek · 04-16-2017, 01:17 PM

A survival knife is whatever you have on you when it all goes down. So my "primary survival knife" is my Victorinox Huntsman that's always in my pocket. My Kbar that I bought at the Army PX I gave away to a Marine cousin of mine when he went off to Iraq. I have a couple of high quality folders, and a sharpened M4 bayonet, and a couple of good quality multi-tools, but who knows if any of those will be with me when something happens. But I'm pretty well set with my daily companion, and I don't worry too much.

M118LR · 04-20-2017, 09:30 PM

Tis the middle of the night while I be TAD SHIPMATES. (Travelling Around Drunk for those not of the Navy persuasion) So I can't lend the proper eloquence to this forum. But I can say that Mr. Graves of WWII fame had my ear during Military training, but Mors Kochanski was far more opinionated, and authored the Bushcraft/Batoning with your knife syndrome. I shall delve into this further, once Easter Vacation ends. (Note, for those of US in the period, see "Mr. Hobbs takes a vacation" ) I shall return with more lucid moments!

csmkersh · 04-21-2017, 05:16 AM

Quote:

I shall return with more lucid moments!

Why?

M118LR · 04-21-2017, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmkersh

Why?

Because I'm curious about about the difference between whittling knives and "Bushcraft" knives. Graves didn't mention the need for specialized cutlery that I could find.
http://www.survivorlibrary.com/libra...hcraft_pdf.pdf

But his writings on Australian BUSHCRAFT inspired Kochanski. It was in Kochanski's "BUSHCRAFT" book that found the first definition of a Bushcraft Knife that needed to present a good target for a baton.

So as most of my training was Military, survival knives are pretty well defined. "Bushcraft" on the other hand is a continuing quest easily advanced in the civilian world. Like whittling, it's a hobby.

So my simple answer to your "Why" is that the concept of using a baton was never taught to me during Military training, but it seems to be a critical skill in Bushcraft. (at least according to M. Kochanski)

M118LR · 04-25-2017, 04:57 PM

So now that Easter Vacation is over, did we want to discuss Mors Bushcraft knife? Or have Y'all predetermined what (Mors) the useful definition of a "Bushcraft" knife was?

04-10-2017, 07:18 PM	#1
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	Bushcraft & Survival Knives. Would I be going to far out on a limb to say that Mors Kochanski with his book "BUSHCRAFT" was the catalyst for today's Modern Buschcraft Mania? I don't remember hearing much from the bushcraft crowd prior to attending JEST in 1970, so is this an evolving epidemic or did I just miss the earlier wave of enthusiasm? Did Stallone start all this nonsense with his "RAMBO" film? Did all of US that attended Military Training unwilling prior to the Survivalist/Prepper Movement spearhead this growing dogma? And could someone tell me when then guards to keep your hands from skidding unto the blade edge became unwanted on a singular survival knife? As I now find myself a member of a minority opinion, I'm just attempting to figure out where I went wrong even if I did survive. Thanks For the Input.

04-11-2017, 07:35 AM	#2
t-star Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,157	you do know that the original bushmaster by buck was requested by "our bunch " back in the 70\s to replace the ka-bar ?- and those guards we'ren't there to keep your hand from slipping- they were anchor points for ropes and other material- the three blades all had different uses, the standard was used for ordinary knife purposes, the pointy bit on the backside was used for supposedly cutting rope, and the saw blade on the backside was for supposedly cutting through the aluminum skin of an aircraft- presumably after a so-called "hard" landing-the idea was to run your rope through the anchors with a couple of twists after you used the knife blade a hard anchor point- then they went to a hollow handle design which broke as soon as you looked at it- the mk3 mod 0was much better and handier being shorter- that was a LOT of useless weight carried for nothing- that thing was closer to a dagger than a knife- if you look at the mk3 mod 0, you will find the same blades, but the knife is much smaller, and it's full tang-regetably, I've long since lost/sold the bushmaster, but I still have 3 of the mk3 mod 0- 2 issued, I "acquired" Last edited by t-star; 04-11-2017 at 07:39 AM.

04-15-2017, 04:45 PM	#9
stand watie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,882	To All, Pardon me far saying that I'll stick with (pun INTENDED) with my old (1969-vintage) Gerber Commando dagger. (My old Ralph Bone "Plain Jane" blade, which was my other OCONUS carry piece, was stolen out of my luggage in 2011 by someone from TSA or Delta Airlines. somewhere between checking my luggage at SAT & retrieving same at BWI.) Note: Delta Airlines offered me 8.oo per POUND for it & then called back with a "final offer" of 25.oo. (What I said in response was 2 words & it wasn't either MERRY CHRISTMAS nor HAPPY BIRTHDAY.) yours, sw Last edited by stand watie; 04-15-2017 at 04:51 PM. Reason: typo

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GunGeek Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Northern NV Posts: 769	A survival knife is whatever you have on you when it all goes down. So my "primary survival knife" is my Victorinox Huntsman that's always in my pocket. My Kbar that I bought at the Army PX I gave away to a Marine cousin of mine when he went off to Iraq. I have a couple of high quality folders, and a sharpened M4 bayonet, and a couple of good quality multi-tools, but who knows if any of those will be with me when something happens. But I'm pretty well set with my daily companion, and I don't worry too much.

04-20-2017, 09:30 PM	#11
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	Tis the middle of the night while I be TAD SHIPMATES. (Travelling Around Drunk for those not of the Navy persuasion) So I can't lend the proper eloquence to this forum. But I can say that Mr. Graves of WWII fame had my ear during Military training, but Mors Kochanski was far more opinionated, and authored the Bushcraft/Batoning with your knife syndrome. I shall delve into this further, once Easter Vacation ends. (Note, for those of US in the period, see "Mr. Hobbs takes a vacation" ) I shall return with more lucid moments!

04-25-2017, 04:57 PM	#14
M118LR Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W Posts: 538	So now that Easter Vacation is over, did we want to discuss Mors Bushcraft knife? Or have Y'all predetermined what (Mors) the useful definition of a "Bushcraft" knife was?