M 91/59's- Bastard Child or respected variation?

Chuck Lamb · 01-23-2005, 09:26 PM

Why are the M91/59 Mosin's disrespected by so many M/N collectors today? After reading several different boards for the past couple of weeks, very few have much positive to say about them. And I just bought one from Allan's Armory! Am I nuts?
Chuck.

delloro · 01-23-2005, 10:16 PM

I dunno, if you are looking at that 8-page thread elsewhere, Ithink it's an inside joke. nothing wrong with 91/59s IMHO, except than the barrel shoulder on mine was set back with a hammer, not a lathe.

either way, I like them, and I recommend them.

JR · 01-24-2005, 07:13 AM

There appears to be some confusion as to their actual status. Some call them Bulgarian modified Model 1931s, others think that the Russians actually engineered the conversion. There seems to have been quite a few of them made. I've also seen some comment as to how the Model 91/59 should actually be called the Model 91/91, and that they were converted in the late 1980s- early 1990s as a means to get Western Cash.

I bought one for my collection when they first arrived. It shoots fine, and the bore is great. As to provenance, the ammo doesn't mind what it's being shot through. You didn't make a mistake, unless you intended to wrap it up for 20 years, then use it for your kid's college fund.

armoredman · 01-24-2005, 07:41 AM

Don't let Ter over at http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ here you say bad things about his beloved 91/59s! Lots of good Mosin info over there.
BTW, are you aware the Mosin is still being made in a military form? A sniper rifle based on the Mosin 1891/30 is being made right now, and the goofiest thing i ever saw, a Mosin bullpup!

delloro · 01-24-2005, 08:10 AM

when did B-Square start supplying scope mount to the Russians?

armoredman · 01-24-2005, 09:04 AM

This should link to the article. http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ots48.htm The mount is probably a copy....oh well.

rek41 · 02-10-2005, 07:42 PM

There is nothing wrong with the 91/59s. I have 5 of those neat little carbines, 2 with the coveted Hex receiver. The only thing no so good is the recoil. About 50-60 rounds down range in a day is about all the fun I can stand at one time.

Bob K

ar7 in trunk · 02-27-2005, 06:49 PM

I like em . You are not nuts

. But then I have
2 .91-30,s 2. m44 carbines 1.91-59 gee that ishveck hammer and sickle mark gets me every time

But you have to love the 91-30 ww2 dates rouuuugh as heck
the stock was a old fence post . The barrel was a old tractor axle
hand filed by "boris" In the gulag while Dodging incoming german mortar rounds while still trying to keep his quota up
Under the watchful eye of "uncle joe"

good history .

delloro · 02-27-2005, 07:50 PM

I cannot understand why anybody would hold the 91/59 - as legitimate a milsurp as any other - in disregard of any sort.

mine has a beautiful bore, no counterbore, and 91/59 and a sn on the receiver; no crest.

I think that's cool.

armoredman · 02-28-2005, 07:00 AM

Someday, $ permitting, I'd like one in the safe with the other Mosins....

mauserdad · 02-28-2005, 08:31 AM

Hi Chuck.I agree with JR.I also, think it has to do with a lack of definitive history.I have a large Mosin collection but have always lacked one of these.I stayed away for the above reason.Now the prices are going up on these so I finaly got one the other day.Ed

ar7 in trunk · 02-28-2005, 06:12 PM

I agree with Delloro . Any countrys of orgin 91/59 that was done by there govt is legit .
I really think the mosin nagnent is shunned by collectors
because there everywhere . But so is the 98k german now!
some collector people i kno scoff at my cmp greek garands to
we all dont have the money for 100% pristine matching stuff
and we settle for a "nice example" of history .
that,s the fun part to me . filling a gap in the collection
Botton line . if your happy the heck with em

03-03-2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauserdad

I have a large Mosin collection but have always lacked one of these.

Ed... Thats an understatement!!!!!

I think a 91 will be my next project rifle.... I just need time for my budget

even though they realy arnt that expensive, im always budget minded

Glad you found a place to stay on amback

Cheers

Casual

mauserdad · 03-03-2005, 07:45 PM

Casual,the MN91 have almost doubled in price in the last year.M91/30s,M44 and the M38 seem to be stabalized as far as price for about a year.They will most likely start creeping up in price also.They only made so many.A Mosin Nagant is a good choice for your next project.Ammo is cheap.Ed

01-23-2005, 09:26 PM	#1
Chuck Lamb Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Black Hills SD. Posts: 176	M 91/59's- Bastard Child or respected variation? Why are the M91/59 Mosin's disrespected by so many M/N collectors today? After reading several different boards for the past couple of weeks, very few have much positive to say about them. And I just bought one from Allan's Armory! Am I nuts? Chuck.

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01-23-2005, 10:16 PM	#2
delloro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,716	I dunno, if you are looking at that 8-page thread elsewhere, Ithink it's an inside joke. nothing wrong with 91/59s IMHO, except than the barrel shoulder on mine was set back with a hammer, not a lathe. either way, I like them, and I recommend them.

01-24-2005, 07:13 AM	#3
JR Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Northern Georgia Posts: 9,290	There appears to be some confusion as to their actual status. Some call them Bulgarian modified Model 1931s, others think that the Russians actually engineered the conversion. There seems to have been quite a few of them made. I've also seen some comment as to how the Model 91/59 should actually be called the Model 91/91, and that they were converted in the late 1980s- early 1990s as a means to get Western Cash. I bought one for my collection when they first arrived. It shoots fine, and the bore is great. As to provenance, the ammo doesn't mind what it's being shot through. You didn't make a mistake, unless you intended to wrap it up for 20 years, then use it for your kid's college fund.

01-24-2005, 08:10 AM	#5
delloro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,716	when did B-Square start supplying scope mount to the Russians?

01-24-2005, 09:04 AM	#6
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southern AZ Posts: 1,702	This should link to the article. http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ots48.htm The mount is probably a copy....oh well.

02-10-2005, 07:42 PM	#7
rek41 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 319	There is nothing wrong with the 91/59s. I have 5 of those neat little carbines, 2 with the coveted Hex receiver. The only thing no so good is the recoil. About 50-60 rounds down range in a day is about all the fun I can stand at one time. Bob K

02-27-2005, 06:49 PM	#8
ar7 in trunk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: need to kno basis Posts: 396	I like em . You are not nuts . But then I have 2 .91-30,s 2. m44 carbines 1.91-59 gee that ishveck hammer and sickle mark gets me every time But you have to love the 91-30 ww2 dates rouuuugh as heck the stock was a old fence post . The barrel was a old tractor axle hand filed by "boris" In the gulag while Dodging incoming german mortar rounds while still trying to keep his quota up Under the watchful eye of "uncle joe" good history .

02-27-2005, 07:50 PM	#9
delloro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,716	I cannot understand why anybody would hold the 91/59 - as legitimate a milsurp as any other - in disregard of any sort. mine has a beautiful bore, no counterbore, and 91/59 and a sn on the receiver; no crest. I think that's cool.

02-28-2005, 07:00 AM	#10
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southern AZ Posts: 1,702	Someday, $ permitting, I'd like one in the safe with the other Mosins....

02-28-2005, 08:31 AM	#11
mauserdad Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Hi Chuck.I agree with JR.I also, think it has to do with a lack of definitive history.I have a large Mosin collection but have always lacked one of these.I stayed away for the above reason.Now the prices are going up on these so I finaly got one the other day.Ed

02-28-2005, 06:12 PM	#12
ar7 in trunk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: need to kno basis Posts: 396	I agree with Delloro . Any countrys of orgin 91/59 that was done by there govt is legit . I really think the mosin nagnent is shunned by collectors because there everywhere . But so is the 98k german now! some collector people i kno scoff at my cmp greek garands to we all dont have the money for 100% pristine matching stuff and we settle for a "nice example" of history . that,s the fun part to me . filling a gap in the collection Botton line . if your happy the heck with em

03-03-2005, 07:45 PM	#14
mauserdad Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Casual,the MN91 have almost doubled in price in the last year.M91/30s,M44 and the M38 seem to be stabalized as far as price for about a year.They will most likely start creeping up in price also.They only made so many.A Mosin Nagant is a good choice for your next project.Ammo is cheap.Ed