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Old 09-03-2017, 07:06 PM   #21
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Guys, I think M118LR is playing you.
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:47 PM   #22
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Guys, I think M118LR is playing you.
Nope, I went and fondled every one of the pistols that had been mentioned. I even included the Shield & the XD. It was much easier to manipulate the the controls on the single stack XD & Shield than it was on the G30 S or G30 SF. Hence the reloading question vice the reach to the trigger with Ten rounds on tap. There was allot to like about the SIG 938, but I'm more adept with a 4-5 lb trigger pull than the heavy SIG Trigger pull. Still, the SIG is the closest to the PPK, and it's a true 9 mm. The G30 SF grip fits my hand almost mirror image, and the distance to the trigger feels exactly the same as my G21 SF. But the G30 SF won't exactly replace the PPK, so the search continues. But I'll be picking up the G30 SF as an addition to the inventory. I'll need to ponder over that trigger pull on the SIG a bit more. So Thank You to everyone that responded so far.
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I got a lot less concerned with the trigger pull on pocket semi-auto's when someone told me the comparison I ought to be thinking about was with hammerless (and hence, DAO) revolvers. Seen in that light a semi-auto with no safety except a long, stout trigger pull seems to make a lot more sense.
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Old 09-04-2017, 06:40 PM   #24
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Which, CaptainGyro, I carry my Colt Pony PocketLite rather than my Colt Model M 1903 Pocket pistol.





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Sorry csmkersh, I'm taking 007's lead before I'd pocket either one of them.
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Wow, two beauties there Top.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:18 AM   #27
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Sorry csmkersh, I'm taking 007's lead before I'd pocket either one of them.
Bond is fiction; I'm real world.


Thank you, CaptainGyro.

Side note: I wonder if M118LR knows Bond carried a Beretta 418 at one time.

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Thank you, CaptainGyro.

Side note: I wonder if M118LR knows Bond carried a Beretta 418 at one time.
I believe that they even took away Bonds PPK somewhere aroung the 5 th or 6 th actor that took up the cause.

But if I come across one of the Colt .380 Government Models they used to make, It'll become part of the inventory instantly.
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To All,

My EDC piece is a S&W Shield 9mm. = I've found NO pocket pistol that's even close to it in concealability or that is its equal in practical self-defense out to 25M.
(If I'm dressed, it's on my belt.)

As a result of buying that Shield, my old Colt's Model 1908 is retired to the safe.

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I believe that they even took away Bonds PPK somewhere aroung the 5 th or 6 th actor that took up the cause.

But if I come across one of the Colt .380 Government Models they used to make, It'll become part of the inventory instantly.
Pierce Brosnan's Bond carried a Walther P99 for a while, but Bond is back to the PPK, and sometimes the PPK/s.
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Fwiw, Ian Fleming FIRST had James Bond carrying/using a FN "Baby Browning" .25ACP.
(During WWII the SOE of which Fleming was a member, the .25ACP was a common handgun, believe it or not.)

Fwiw, I once had a suicide case where the deceased shot himself X3 with a .25ACP with FMJ rounds.
(The 3 rounds made us think that it was a homicide "by person unknown".)

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Old 09-06-2017, 09:16 AM   #32
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Better than a PPK?

No one has mentioned the Makarov? Fewer moving parts, more robust round, virtually indestructible.
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I once had a suicide case where the deceased shot himself X3 with a .25ACP with FMJ rounds.
I have to wonder what you're thinking as you sit there with two self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

"OK...one more try, then I go take some lessons."
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Fleming also armed Bond for one book (Doctor No?) with a S&W .38 Revolver. Forgot the model but it was a 2 inch with a grip safety. Bodyguard??

During WWII the British SOE and SIS often chose .25 automatics on the hope that a fast search wouldn't find it and they could use it to escape.

I assume that Fleming knew what they were doing because he had Bond filing his .25's firing pin to a sharp point to improve reliable primer ignition.
This is hard to figure since the idea of a primer is to hit it and crush it to get it to ignite.
A sharp firing pin would only punch a hole in it and I'd think ignition would be worse.

Many years ago in St Louis, when a cop got into trouble or just wanted to end it, it was rather a tradition to go down to the bus station and shoot themselves in the men's room.
In several cases, at the last moment they flinched and only wounded themselves in the head.
As an old homicide cop told me, "It must have been Hell getting that second shot off".
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YEP. The fail-safe MAK is FINE. Especially the East German VOPO edition., that was proofed for the Scorpion SMG rounds.

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I once had a suicide case where the deceased shot himself X3 with a .25ACP with FMJ rounds.
Just goes to show what one can accomplish with perseverance...
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YEP. The fail-safe MAK is FINE. Especially the East German VOPO edition., that was proofed for the Scorpion SMG rounds.

yours, sw
SW, mine is an East German model, but I have never heard of the VOPO distinction before. It even has a Actions by T trigger job on it and is very accurate.
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Tim Burke,

YEP.

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I have to wonder what you're thinking as you sit there with two self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

"OK...one more try, then I go take some lessons."
Years ago I read a story about a guy who allegedly, killed himself by drilling himself in the head repeatedly with a hand-drill.
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SpecialEd,

The VOPO version was essentially the same, except "hand-selected" from the general "pile of handguns", had a trigger job done, nicer leather supplied & each was "proofed" for the SMG 9x18mm round, according to the documents that are extant.
(I suspect that all of the East German MAKs would pass that "re-proofing".)

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