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Old 01-10-2015, 05:31 AM   #1
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Purse Carry Failure

Folks,
UPDATE re: Idaho Mother Shot By Toddler - The Firearm Blog
From a reliable source.
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Old 01-11-2015, 08:05 AM   #2
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UPDATE re: Idaho Mother Shot By Toddler - The Firearm Blog
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You and me both, Geoff.
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I know the facts as presented seem to be accepted, and I'll be darned if I can come up with another explanation, but this one just doesn't pass my smell test.
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I know the facts as presented seem to be accepted, and I'll be darned if I can come up with another explanation, but this one just doesn't pass my smell test.
...of the female shoppers whom I see at the local Safeway and Walmart stores leave their purses unattended/unobserved on the shelves of shopping carts, at some point, while shopping.

I don't find it inconceivable that a two-year-old boy - especially if he had observed his mother place the pistol in the purse - could unzip the pistol compartment to extract the gun. (Wouldn't such a zippered compartment have a pull tag on the tab of the zipper, for faster, easier opening?)

I've put a few rounds through a friend's S&W Shield and, while S&W may rate the trigger at 6.5 pounds, it felt lighter than that to me. Either way, I'm fairly sure that a two-year-old could fire it, even if not from a conventional grip. Massad Ayoob used to point out that the reason that so many toddlers shoot themselves in the face or head is that they turn the gun to get the leverage of one or both thumbs on the trigger.
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CaptainGyro,

Doesn't pass my "smell test", either. = I suspect that "something else" happened that "the media" is lying about.

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I know the facts as presented seem to be accepted, and I'll be darned if I can come up with another explanation, but this one just doesn't pass my smell test.
What really bothers me is that until recently, the Shield had a manual thumb safety. Mine does. A non issue with me (I don't normally use it, but it's placement makes it easy for me...my thumb joint lines up with it exactly). A lot of folks didn't like it and S&W removed it. Wonder if...

I have to agree with Spwenger though. The trigger seems much lighter than 6 lbs. Still, a two year old? Don't see a reason for the authorities to lie about it though. A horrible accident is just that. And I know all about WalMart security cameras. Believe me, there is very little they can't see.
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What really bothers me is that until recently, the Shield had a manual thumb safety. Mine does. A non issue with me (I don't normally use it, but it's placement makes it easy for me...my thumb joint lines up with it exactly). A lot of folks didn't like it and S&W removed it. Wonder if...
  1. I'd be much happier if the striker-fired pistol with short-stroke triggers were all fitted with thumb safeties. I'd feel better about the Shield if the safety "tab" were ambidextrous. That said, use of the thumb safety on that pistols seems to be treated as optional so, even if she had the earlier model, that does not mean that the thumb safety was actually engaged.
  2. The last time that I checked the S&W website - a few weeks ago - they were still offering models with and without the thumb safety.
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If you carry a firearm in your purse, your purse should be on you/in your control at all times.
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SpecialEd,

Carrying a handgun in a purse is a REALLY BAD PLAN, imVho, since having it stolen or "snatched" results in:

1. the owner being disarmed
and worse
2. arming a potentially violent criminal, who may use the lady's weapon upon her & her loved ones.

Fwiw, for over 4 decades, I have recommended nothing except "on body carry" to members of both genders AND (if a person chooses to carry a weapon) a single handgun, that the person is comfortable with carrying ALL the time.
(In 2015, there are MANY different sorts of "concealed carry options" for both genders.)

A personal note: My adult daughter now carries my old Makerov, CCW. As her usual working attire is a long skirt with blouse and sometimes a blazer OR jeans & a top, she has several "viable options for concealed carry".
She had a seamstress in Austin make her "lingerie style" thigh holsters in several colors (My daughter was "born matched to the skin" & never wears anything that "clashes".) & as one thug found out, that little Mak "appears out from under a skirt" SUDDENLY.

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