Mythbusters: Knife to a Gunfight (Video)

DavidE · 09-21-2014, 07:32 PM

Worth a look:

Skeptic49 · 09-22-2014, 01:49 AM

Yep, I've seen it on TV. I loved Mythbusters, but they busted themselves by dropping Kari Byron and the Build Team from the next season.
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Geoff
Who will miss lovely young ladies with large firearms, even if Ms. Byron needs a hair professional with taste desperately.

ExSarge · 09-22-2014, 03:59 AM

Gee, I never got up to her hair....

Skeptic49 · 09-22-2014, 02:07 PM

Hey,
I'm much taller and older than her grandmother...sigh.
Geoff
Whose interest is purely chivalrous..

Diamondback · 09-22-2014, 03:09 PM

If she weren't an atheist, a vegetarian and Off The Market...

Charlie Petty · 09-23-2014, 07:05 AM

That is a different take on the so-called Tueller (sp?) distance of 27' but they made it totally unrealistic by having him draw, rack the slide and then fire. Very few real world people would do that.

It was also obvious that Jamie had very little skill and poor advice on equipment.

bearcat6 · 09-23-2014, 01:46 PM

Yeah you are right Charlie. How many LEOs go on duty with and empty chamber/ I know the MPs probably do. Hell I don't go out with an empty chamber.

Charlie Petty · 09-23-2014, 02:33 PM

When I was armed in the USAF the chamber was empty but somebody taught me how to use the old GI holster to help chamber a round. Simply pull the gun high enough to catch the muzzle on the pad that protected the trigger guard... push down smartly to rack the slide and you come out (hopefully) with a loaded gun.

I was disappointed because usually the do pretty well with firearms stuff.

IrishCop · 09-23-2014, 06:17 PM

I have usually been impressed with their gun stuff. Pretty straightforward and logical. Too bad they are all hard corps San Franciscans (no offense to any board members who hale from there).

I do think their show is toast after dropping Kari and crew.

Charlie, I may have told this story on this board before, but anyway...

When I in-processed at Osan, they of course had a couple of "Your in Korea now" briefings. One of them, a well traveled black E-7 with the then obligatory NCO Club gut walked into the little room a posted two glossy 8 X 10 photos of a young obviously American male, with the picture frames from just below his eyes to just under his chin. There was a large bloody wound centered just under his lower lip. The Master Sergeant explained this young E-3 SP was posted with his ROK counterpart at the rear gate of the base. ROK soldiers were armed with empty 1911's, two loaded mags in wired shut mag pouches. The ROK wanted to see the GI's revolver, a loaded Model 15. The GI refused. Then the ROK asked to see a bullet. The ROK kept bugging the E-3 till he finally agreed, holding up an issued .38 ball round. The ROK grabbed the bullet, pulled his pistol, dropped the bullet down the barrel of his 1911, cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. Damned thing went off! Hit the SP under his lip, knocked out two teeth and knocked him down. He got up, spit out his teeth and the bullet and proceeded to beat the holy living heck out of that little Korean dude. Said the Korean guard was turned over to his CO and never seen around Osan again.

At least that's the story the old Master Sergeant told. 🔫😏

WaltGraham · 09-23-2014, 07:30 PM

One of the guys I roomed with just after high school was a recon Marine recently back from VN.

He was a big fellow then and well versed in Jeet Kune Do, in addition to gun fu. I don't have the bruises anymore, but I still have the memories.

He told me that the worse whuppin' he ever got was from a ROK Marine; a really little guy.

"He didn't hit me that hard, he just hit me a lot"...

Charlie Petty · 09-23-2014, 08:37 PM

and E-7s never lie

IrishCop · 09-24-2014, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaltGraham

He told me that the worse whuppin' he ever got was from a ROK Marine; a really little guy.

"He didn't hit me that hard, he just hit me a lot"...

Walt, there's no doubt some of those OK's were tough little SOB's. Since I was living on $80 a month (lived in the barracks and had a meal card...wife and kids got the rest), I spent a lot of time at the gym cause it was free. They had Tae Kwon Do classes there and I would stop by and watch after working out.

The instructors were of course Korean, and when they sparred with each other...well let's just say they were impressive.

Besides, Osan is where Chuck Norris learned to fight.

William R. Moore · 09-24-2014, 03:47 AM

Since we're telling tales, let me pass on one I heard from someone working at APG in a civilian capacity, lo many years ago. I've always regarded it as a sea story.

Allegedly, the gate guards at APG did have chambered rounds in their 1911s once upon a time. This abruptly ended when one was using the hammer & grip safety tang as a bottle opener and sheared the sear, causing an AD. During the ensuing investigation, it was determined that this was common practice. The obvious cure was to go empty chamber.

Perhaps oddly, the part I've never doubted was that someone would try to use the hammer as a bottle opener.

IrishCop · 09-24-2014, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Petty

and E-7s never lie

My Dad was an E-7, and that's what he told me.

Charlie Petty · 09-24-2014, 08:05 AM

I was taught to use the trigger guard...

shep854 · 09-28-2014, 07:32 PM

Back to the original post, did no one suggest that they run the test with gun drawn and ready???

09-21-2014, 07:32 PM	#1
DavidE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,194	Mythbusters: Knife to a Gunfight (Video) Worth a look:

09-24-2014, 03:47 AM	#13
William R. Moore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,540	Since we're telling tales, let me pass on one I heard from someone working at APG in a civilian capacity, lo many years ago. I've always regarded it as a sea story. Allegedly, the gate guards at APG did have chambered rounds in their 1911s once upon a time. This abruptly ended when one was using the hammer & grip safety tang as a bottle opener and sheared the sear, causing an AD. During the ensuing investigation, it was determined that this was common practice. The obvious cure was to go empty chamber. Perhaps oddly, the part I've never doubted was that someone would try to use the hammer as a bottle opener. Last edited by William R. Moore; 09-24-2014 at 03:50 AM.

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Skeptic49 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 2,480	Hey, I'm much taller and older than her grandmother...sigh. Geoff Whose interest is purely chivalrous..

09-22-2014, 03:09 PM	#5
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09-23-2014, 07:05 AM	#6
Charlie Petty Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,055	That is a different take on the so-called Tueller (sp?) distance of 27' but they made it totally unrealistic by having him draw, rack the slide and then fire. Very few real world people would do that. It was also obvious that Jamie had very little skill and poor advice on equipment.

09-23-2014, 01:46 PM	#7
bearcat6 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,983	Yeah you are right Charlie. How many LEOs go on duty with and empty chamber/ I know the MPs probably do. Hell I don't go out with an empty chamber.

09-23-2014, 02:33 PM	#8
Charlie Petty Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,055	When I was armed in the USAF the chamber was empty but somebody taught me how to use the old GI holster to help chamber a round. Simply pull the gun high enough to catch the muzzle on the pad that protected the trigger guard... push down smartly to rack the slide and you come out (hopefully) with a loaded gun. I was disappointed because usually the do pretty well with firearms stuff.

09-23-2014, 06:17 PM	#9
IrishCop Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Decatur, Al Posts: 2,624	I have usually been impressed with their gun stuff. Pretty straightforward and logical. Too bad they are all hard corps San Franciscans (no offense to any board members who hale from there). I do think their show is toast after dropping Kari and crew. Charlie, I may have told this story on this board before, but anyway... When I in-processed at Osan, they of course had a couple of "Your in Korea now" briefings. One of them, a well traveled black E-7 with the then obligatory NCO Club gut walked into the little room a posted two glossy 8 X 10 photos of a young obviously American male, with the picture frames from just below his eyes to just under his chin. There was a large bloody wound centered just under his lower lip. The Master Sergeant explained this young E-3 SP was posted with his ROK counterpart at the rear gate of the base. ROK soldiers were armed with empty 1911's, two loaded mags in wired shut mag pouches. The ROK wanted to see the GI's revolver, a loaded Model 15. The GI refused. Then the ROK asked to see a bullet. The ROK kept bugging the E-3 till he finally agreed, holding up an issued .38 ball round. The ROK grabbed the bullet, pulled his pistol, dropped the bullet down the barrel of his 1911, cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. Damned thing went off! Hit the SP under his lip, knocked out two teeth and knocked him down. He got up, spit out his teeth and the bullet and proceeded to beat the holy living heck out of that little Korean dude. Said the Korean guard was turned over to his CO and never seen around Osan again. At least that's the story the old Master Sergeant told. 🔫😏

09-23-2014, 07:30 PM	#10
WaltGraham Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,924	One of the guys I roomed with just after high school was a recon Marine recently back from VN. He was a big fellow then and well versed in Jeet Kune Do, in addition to gun fu. I don't have the bruises anymore, but I still have the memories. He told me that the worse whuppin' he ever got was from a ROK Marine; a really little guy. "He didn't hit me that hard, he just hit me a lot"...

09-23-2014, 08:37 PM	#11
Charlie Petty Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,055	and E-7s never lie

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Charlie Petty Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,055	I was taught to use the trigger guard...

09-28-2014, 07:32 PM	#16
shep854 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Birmingham AL Posts: 2,168	Back to the original post, did no one suggest that they run the test with gun drawn and ready???