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Old 06-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #41
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Each side (right & left) has an agenda here. The truth will come out in court, and one side or the other will be completely offended by the verdict regardless of “the truth”.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:48 AM   #42
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YEP. - I just hope that FL can "seat a jury" that has NOT made up their minds before the evidence is presented.
(I have little faith that that will happen given the "media circus" & outright LIES from the "main-slime media". - 2 more "reporters" have since been FIRED for LYING to "the network bosses". - that makes FOUR "reporters", who are "seeking other employment" for "creating news".)

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Well, on the topic of the media, it has gotten a lot more intense since the trial started. So far we've had the state's own witnesses allege that Trayvon said he might try to jump Zimmerman, among other things.

The media has called the defense lawyers "bullies" for asking the witnesses to repeat their own earlier testimony and has been in full shouting mode. Never mind that reasonable doubt for who the aggressor in the physical confrontation was has been created, and that Second Degree Murder is harder to convict on than a lesser charge.

If the Jury went by the media this would already be over, and I wonder what the impact in the public is.

What are the chances of riots if Zimmerman is acquitted, in certain areas of the country? I'm not trolling, just between the way the media is hyping this up and the actual evidence we're seeing, I have to wonder. The odds are there a jury might not convict on that charge with the current evidence, with the prosecution having put in some of their biggest witnesses so far, and the portrayal in the media and stoking of feelings is at such a pitch, and that combination makes me seriously wonder.
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What are the chances of riots if Zimmerman is acquitted
If there's a nation wide race riot then the media won't have to cover the Benghazi scandal, or the Journalist scandal, or the IRS scandal or whatever scandal du jour floats to the top of the government septic tank. It's kind of a reverse "Wag the Dog."
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DavidE,

I really don't have "a dog in this fight" BUT I'm really glad that I'm not with SPD and especially NOT the CoP. = The SPD has BUNGLED the evidence to the point that I don't think that there is any way that a jury can convict on ANY charge.
For starters, because the supervisor on duty failed to protect the crime-scene overnight & any actual evidence was WASHED AWAY by a rainstorm, I cannot imagine that any scientific evidence from the scene exists.

A "screw-up" from first to last!

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The so-called "experts" came across as utterly incompetent.
The defense failed to make the point that Travon Martin so terrified his mother that she sent him to live with his father, in the hopes that his father could handle him for another year before throwing him out at age 18.
The judge forbid any mention of the fact that local burglaries increased radically as soon as Martin moved in.
Martins effects were not searched by the local police after the shooting.
No one has followed up on the strange gun and New Black Panther Party involvement.

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Old 07-07-2013, 11:01 PM   #47
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The defense, I don't think, has any reason to even offer any evidence as the prosecutor's office has BUNGLED the trial altogether.

Frankly, I'm being constantly re-confirmed in my belief that we civilians would do WELL to copy the Article 32 investigation system of the US military.
(IF you are an JAG officer of the prosecutor's office & conceal anything exculpatory from the defense and GET CAUGHT doing it, you WILL be tried, convicted by a GCM and sentenced to a long term of imprisonment.)

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I'm not so sure that Mr. Zimmerman will walk though, this is being driven hard on emotion on cable TV* and the Judge disallowed a witness today who would have said he felt Zimmerman acted appropriately under the law.

*In one show I flipped across the other day, Nancy Grace was huffing and snuffing in incredulity at the idea that anyone could think their life was in danger and use a gun, I admit I had a most unkind thought, wondering if she wouldn't believe her fiancÚ had he felt threatened and successfully used a gun to defend himself, and if she would have thought him a murderer.
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All the talking heads that don't think having their head beat against cement constitutes a threat of grave bodily injury should step right up and volunteer to take 2 or 3 impacts to document their certainty. After a few of them have been reduced to drooling morons, the point would be settled. Unfortunately, for some of these talking heads, identifying the "drooling moron" endpoint might be difficult.
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for some of these talking heads, identifying the "drooling moron" endpoint might be difficult.
To paraphrase Walt, "I almost spit good chili right there."
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CaptainGyro,

rotflmRao.

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Don't hold back, Tim. Tell us what you really think!
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Unfortunately, for some of these talking heads, identifying the "drooling moron" endpoint might be difficult.
And some of them would have to gain a couple dozen IQ points to get up to the "drooling moron" level.
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All the talking heads that don't think having their head beat against cement constitutes a threat of grave bodily injury should step right up and volunteer to take 2 or 3 impacts to document their certainty. After a few of them have been reduced to drooling morons, the point would be settled. Unfortunately, for some of these talking heads, identifying the "drooling moron" endpoint might be difficult.

As someone who's had one's head knocked against a hard surface accidentally I refuse to participate in this experiment.
Trust me: IT HURTS.
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TommyGunn; All,

Just this AM, one of ''the talking heads" of "the mainstream press" said that trying to stop having your head bashed in upon a concrete sidewalk "was not a good & sufficient reason to respond to the supposed attack with deadly force".
In the idiot left's opinion, I wonder WHAT be a good reason to shoot an attacker. = Actually BEING KILLED, perhaps?

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that 90+% of the entire "4th estate" has lost their collective minds.
(Presuming that any of them had a mind to lose.)

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Perhaps they aren't so much not thinking as following a common action line, which may be very centrally planned.

I heard today that the initial rallies that pushed the prosecutors to file charges in the first place were directly funded and organized by the Justice Department.

It seems to show much more "Central Planning" in how this is being handled and covered than I even suspected before.

Obama Regime Organized Trayvon Protests - The Rush Limbaugh Show

The PJ Tatler ╗ Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests

Call me crazy, but I wonder if the plan is to use it to push rollbacks of right to carry and self defense laws? That might explain the DOJ involvement, similar to the Fast and Furious plan and the idea of demonizing gun ownership and rights in the US.

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.... I wonder if the plan is to use it to push rollbacks of right to carry and self defense laws? That might explain the DOJ involvement, similar to the Fast and Furious plan and the idea of demonizing gun ownership and rights in the US.


Then I hope Zimmerman is found "not guilty" not only because it's a true verdict but also because that would throw a huge monkeywrench into Obama/Holder's plans to remove the 2A and further destroy the Constitution.
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Then I hope Zimmerman is found "not guilty" not only because it's a true verdict but also because that would throw a huge monkeywrench into Obama/Holder's plans to remove the 2A and further destroy the Constitution.
True, but if that happened I would expect a massive media push complaining that the law is wrong and at fault, hyping this so hard offers several possibilities depending on what happens in the actual courtroom. Indeed, what actually has happened there is of very little importance to many of the talking heads on TV. (These days, more like screamers.)

The case is also something that can be used to fire emotions and avoid covering other stressors that need attention and rational dealing with, like the economy or foreign policy. It is a shibboleth of sorts, people mad about anything can have the frustration transferred to it for a time. Of course, attempting to transfer negative emotions to one thing to avoid dealing with them straight up in their original context and subject area usually ends very badly.
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I hope Zimmerman sues the heck out of DoJ and his defense asks that the DoJ be called as witnesses and the Jury be polled to determine if the Federal Government has exercised "undue influence" over their decision.
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Well the DA pulled a rabbit out of there hat and it looks like child abuse/death 3rd degree M/S.The defense and the judge seem abit preplexed with the defense contention that this was planned from the begininng.Zimmerman hangs!!!it's what the masses wanted but not the rule of law.
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