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bestseller92 01-06-2010 03:24 PM

Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Like many people, I have various small revolvers and autos for concealed carry.

My primary concealed carry gun is a Glock 26 9mm.

Lately, though, I've taken to clipping on my Glock 22 as my concealed carry gun whenever I'm wearing enough clothing to properly hide it (and, with the cold weather we've had here lately, I'm usually wearing enough clothing to hide a Ma Deuce!).

As much as I like my G26, I just find the full sized, 16 shot G22 more comforting.

Clint Smith has said, "If you ever need a gun, you'll wish for a big one", and lately I find myself thinking that he's probably right about that.

Does anyone else here carry a full sized auto as their CCW when they can?

guntotin_fool 01-06-2010 04:08 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Do you call a Colt's combat commander close to full size? Carried one almost everyday for 26 years.

Charlie Petty 01-06-2010 06:35 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
My present piece is an Ed Brown bobtail which is Commander size but for years I carried a full size. One of the keys is an IWB holster such as a Summer Special or Rosen ARG

SmokeyS 01-07-2010 03:32 AM

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I have carried a Springfield .45 since the late 80's. Full size over right hip. Current holster is a Crossbreed IWB. Best holster I have ever used and I have used virtually every style. :thumbsup:

JR 01-07-2010 03:48 AM

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As our "Southern" weather reminds me more of winter in north-western Pennsylvania, I have been CCW with a Taurus PT101. 12 rounds of .4- S&W in a stone reliable pistol is a bit of overkill for the local bad guy(s), but, what the heck, I can just imagine that I'm walking in downtown Atlanta at 0300.




bestseller92 01-07-2010 04:10 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
I'm thinking a Glock compact, a 19 or 23, might be the perfect compromise for me.

Might be just the excuse I need to get another Glock :).

SmokeyS 01-07-2010 05:49 AM

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Bestseller, do not compromise on what you need. Get the best out of the gate. Understand what you are going to be asking of the weapon and decide what you need. Never compromise :thumbsup:

t-star 01-07-2010 06:51 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
i've found the best way to ccw is to put on your sport coat or whatever and roughly position your gun where you think it should be and look in a mirror to see if you can "see" it- of course, it depends on how the garment is draped, etc- but tyically , i go for the just over the buttcheek, left side, fbi cant- no matter how i wear a shoulder rig, i can still see the "crease"- there's only one that is thin enough to not show it, and that's a tokorev or something with a similar width to it- but the hammer gets caught on the way out

ArmyCPT 01-07-2010 06:52 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bestseller92
I'm thinking a Glock compact, a 19 or 23, might be the perfect compromise for me.

Might be just the excuse I need to get another Glock :).

I personally think that everyone should at least try a Glock 19, but that's just me. Speaking of Glocks, though, a full-sized 17 or 22 with a grip modification (bringing the frame's grip down to G19/23 dimensions) works well for a lot of people.

I thought about doing this a couple of years ago...but bought the G19 instead.

WaltGraham 01-07-2010 04:15 PM

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Plus 1 on the Crossbreed, it's the best IWB holster I have ever owned, and I've got that same box full we all have. Since I acquired it, I've been carrying my gubmint model almost exclusively. If you have a need to go without a cover garment, you can tuck a shirt over the gun and it disappears...

I know this is flogging a dead equine, but a good belt is the key component.

guntotin_fool 01-07-2010 10:11 PM

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If you are a sport coat or suit guy, Wear your gun to the fitting. They have lots of tricks in hiding creases or bumps. Done right you can hide a uzi mini with a can. I know that from experience

2HOW 01-08-2010 08:47 AM

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I carried a G-22 for 17 years, I now carry a compact PT 140, but I sometimes carry my 1911 Gov. Mod. I found that "appendix" carry is a great way to carry a large pistol, depending on your body type.

William R. Moore 01-09-2010 11:05 PM

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When I started carrying, the choices were full size iron or something like a PPK or Chief's Special. The choice was obvious. I lugged a full size 1911 for 18+ years, then a 5906 for around 15 and now an M&P9 full size coming up on 4 years. The proper holster, belt and dressing around the piece makes it disappear. Ken Null makes some great stuff. Safariland is more affordable.

If you're wearing enough to hide a M2, you need a piece in a outside pocket.

bestseller92 01-10-2010 07:54 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Ironically, yesterday when I went to town to get groceries, I didn't clip on a full sized auto, or any auto at all.

I dropped my Taurus 85CH .38 in one coat pocket, an HKS speedloader in another and off I went.

Oh, well.

t-star 01-10-2010 08:53 AM

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i'd LOVE to see a mac-scatter rig for something like an m17 bushmaster or a tavor

2HOW 01-10-2010 10:47 AM

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A small revolver like my 649 is adequate in some cases. I think you have to make a determination on where you're going and where you live.

IrishCop 01-12-2010 12:52 PM

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I usually carry a full size 1911 with two mags using a rig I got from Haugen's Handgun Leather in Bismark, N.D.. Even in the hot Alabama summers, I simply wear a t shirt with an oversized sports shirt as a covering garment.

I have picked up an Officer's model that I'm still playing with. If it proves reliable through the long haul, that might replace my full size gun.

I've also been known to slip an old S&W Bodyguard in my front left pocket as a "New York Reload."

Badge or not, I don't like to "flash" off duty. It's tacky.

NightSight 01-25-2010 04:57 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bestseller92
...... As much as I like my G26, I just find the full sized, 16 shot G22 more comforting. Clint Smith has said, "If you ever need a gun, you'll wish for a big one", and lately I find myself thinking that he's probably right about that. Does anyone else here carry a full sized auto as their CCW when they can?

That's exactly the CCW carry philosophy I practice and subscribe to! My usual EDC is a G-21 and 30 rounds of FMJ ball ammo. In the wintertime, when I'm all buttoned up, there's a little Beretta 3032 (Alley Cat) in an outside left pocket.

Once I'm inside the car the doors are immediately locked and my jacket is zipped open. I never - as in never - place the seatbelt on top of a front jacket lapel. That's something that I always leave open whenever I'm sitting down. 8)

2HOW 01-26-2010 08:59 AM

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I have been comfortable carrying my Gov. 1911 "appendex" style. It gives 2 important factors IMO no "bump" frisk and keeps the weapon in the power center of the body for great retention control with either hand. Of course this isnt for all body types.

NightSight 01-28-2010 08:36 AM

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:) I'm another one who won't carry anything I wouldn't be really satisfied with if I had to go up against your typical AK-47 toting, completely insane, 'shopping mall gunman'.

I used to carry a Colt 1911 - That is until others began telling me I'd be shedding large tears were I to ever have to use it, and then become forced to surrender a prized Colt into a cold and drafty police evidence locker for who knows how long. :ehsmile:

With this point-of-view in mind I went out and bought my first Glock Model 21. In the beginning I hated it! The barrel was too short; the balance was all wrong; and I kept wondering what I was going to do with a pistol that could be rendered inoperable by being left on top of a heat register for too long.

Then I discovered how easy it is to maintain and work on a Glock. Compared to your typical 1911, modifying Gaston's plastic, 'wonder pistol' is ridiculously easy. A Dremel Tool, alone, will take care of better than 80% of whatever you might need or want to do to a Glock. True, you can't pistol whip people anymore without damaging the pistol; and nothing is easier to limp wrist than a Glock - nothing - but these suckers just keep on shooting, and shooting, and shooting.

Talk about carrying a full-size pistol: Sure my typical belt load is a G-21 with 13 rounds on one side, and an extended magazine with 17 additional rounds on the other side. (Usually a large folding knife, cell phone, and two key holders are included. So is an occasional Beretta 3032.)

All of this gets carried on either of two gun belts: A heavy Wm. Tucker or a polymer-reinforced BeltMan. Both are more than stiff enough to carry the weight without sagging. All, but one, of my holsters are also IWB designs. The one that isn't might as well be because it's a very flat riding Wm. Tucker HF-1. My cover garments are on the loose side and I'm (almost) positive that I haven't, 'patterned' in years. In fact nobody I know of has, 'made' me in, at least, the past three years.

Anyone can carry a full-sized pistol (A G-26 or a G-19 is NOT a full-sized pistol.) if he simply puts a little thought into how to, 'dress for success', keeps the pistol's butt tucked in tight to his side, and uses a heavy non-sagging belt. It's really just that simple! Nowadays, whenever I have to take my guns off I actually miss that additional weight around my waist. (Makes me feel, kind 'a, undressed!)

Yes, there is a certain inconvenience to lugging around a large, heavy, full-sized pistol with you all day long; but, inside 35 yards, I remain (more or less) comfortable with the idea of having to go up against a centerfire semiautomatic rifle. The only caveat I'll offer is that whatever pistol you decide to carry, you need to be very well practiced with. :wink:

2HOW 01-28-2010 03:11 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
NIGHTSIGHT, seems you have a kinda of a thing about a real gun fight in your AO. I think the thread was about casual carry. I dont know where you live but your post reminds me of some bad places.

gobetween 01-28-2010 03:40 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by WaltGraham
I know this is flogging a dead equine, but a good belt is the key component.

Can't be overstated or stated enough, as I recently discovered. I received a Rosen ARG Express (Gov't 1911) as an early Christmas gift. After a little thought I decided to just quit messin' around, being cheap etc., and ordered a Rosen tapered belt for it. While I was waiting for delivery I tried out the holster and gun with what I considered a fairly sturdy belt. It worked out well enough, I thought, until the Rosen belt arrived (4 week turn). Wow. What a difference. With enough belt loops and the right trousers (even shorts) this rig holds my 1911 TIGHT, enough so that under a T-shirt it just won't print easily. I mean I have to bend forward hard for it to show. I expected it to work but not like this.

I think it was Kevin who once stated that he'd rather have a less expensive gun and a better belt/holster rig, money being the same. Good advice.

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NightSight 01-29-2010 04:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HOW
NIGHTSIGHT, seems you have a kind a of a thing about a real gun fight in your AO. I think the thread was about casual carry. I don’t know where you live but your post reminds me of some bad places.

'AO.' Would that be, 'Area of Operation'? Other than carrying a full-size auto, (a rather dull subject) what this thread is about remains, pretty much, within the respondent's purview. If EDC - and, especially, EDC of a full-sized semiautomatic - were all about being casual, I am positive I would NOT make the effort to do it everyday.

As for the, 'real thing' part of your reply? That's very astute of you. In fact, if I were to tell you (and everyone else) about our experiences since moving to Pennsylvania 13 years ago, I strongly suspect the account would come across as internet BS.

(So, I'll spare the both of us from the retelling. Suffice it to say that, other than just one single home invasion, we've found Pennsylvania to be far more dangerous than anything we previously experienced during more than 30 years of living in New Jersey.)

Redtail 02-13-2010 03:37 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
I carry at times either my G21 or a full size SA 1911 pistol, in the cooler weather I use shoulder holster's for them & in the warmer weather, I generaly use a IWB for them, both way's are comfortable to carry these full size guns. 8)

kihnspiracy 02-16-2010 11:10 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
I am a believer in carying a full size semi auto for CCW. I find them much easier to shoot than smaller pistols. If and when I have to use one for self defense, I would prefer to be shooting a full size pistol instead of a mousegun.

William R. Moore 02-19-2010 07:19 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HOW
NIGHTSIGHT, seems you have a kinda of a thing about a real gun fight in your AO. I think the thread was about casual carry. I dont know where you live but your post reminds me of some bad places.

I ran across an applicable quote, made for this comment and cannot recall it :x The spirit of it is that the real world doesn't have any respect for your expectations of what's going to happen in it. A good many years ago, 2 gents tried to hold me up in front of a Federal Courthouse in broad daylight.

SpecialEd 02-19-2010 07:52 AM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by William R. Moore
... A good many years ago, 2 gents tried to hold me up in front of a Federal Courthouse in broad daylight.


Attorneys on their way to lunch? :wink:

William R. Moore 02-19-2010 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpecialEd
Attorneys on their way to lunch? :wink:

Ah, no. 2 young gentlemen who failed to realize that not everyone in a suit and London Fog topcoat is a sheep to be shorn.

gobetween 02-19-2010 12:57 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by William R. Moore
I ran across an applicable quote… The spirit of it is that the real world doesn't have any respect for your expectations of what's going to happen in it.

"It ain't about the odds—it's what's at stake."

Words to live by.

eddism 02-19-2010 04:11 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
I like my THUNDER FIVE slung under my left shoulder straight-pull. I load it with .410 shells of varying types (magnum sabots, flamethrower, fletchette and quadbuck. I usually give the cylinder a random spin before holstering it. Also, I like a Raven against my ankle.

WaltGraham 02-19-2010 04:44 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eddism
I like my THUNDER FIVE slung under my left shoulder straight-pull. I load it with .410 shells of varying types (magnum sabots, flamethrower, fletchette and quadbuck. I usually give the cylinder a random spin before holstering it. Also, I like a Raven against my ankle.

Echos of Gunkid... 8)

SpecialEd 02-19-2010 05:12 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eddism
I like my THUNDER FIVE slung under my left shoulder straight-pull. I load it with .410 shells of varying types (magnum sabots, flamethrower, fletchette and quadbuck. I usually give the cylinder a random spin before holstering it. Also, I like a Raven against my ankle.


To what purpose? What is the perceived threat?

gobetween 02-19-2010 08:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SpecialEd
Quote:

Originally Posted by eddism
I like my THUNDER FIVE slung under my left shoulder straight-pull. I load it with .410 shells of varying types (magnum sabots, flamethrower, fletchette and quadbuck. I usually give the cylinder a random spin before holstering it. Also, I like a Raven against my ankle.

To what purpose? What is the perceived threat?

Satire, presumably.
.

Steve M1911A1 02-19-2010 08:27 PM

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I, too, like a Raven against my ankle, but he keeps pecking at my shin and squawking "Nevermore!" :lol:

NightSight 02-20-2010 03:47 AM

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And, then, there's that messy white stuff on your shoe. (A sure giveaway that you've got a Raven on your ankle!) :P

SpecialEd 02-20-2010 06:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gobetween
Quote:

Originally Posted by SpecialEd
To what purpose? What is the perceived threat?

Satire, presumably.
.

Hopefully but one never knows...

Charlie Petty 02-20-2010 06:45 AM

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Quote:

I, too, like a Raven against my ankle, but he keeps pecking at my shin and squawking "Nevermore!"

That's the best LOL in years :bow:

The white stuff on the shoe is a strong followup :thumbsup:

BobMac 02-20-2010 07:33 AM

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I'm sure that most of you are more experienced than I am, but here goes.

I have four guns that I like to carry. A 1911 in .38 Super, a 1911 in .45, either in a shoulder holster or a belt slide.

Then there is my Browning BDA .380, also in a belt slide, and finally my Charter Arms .38 snubbie on a belt slide. The holster for that last is a FIST made speciallly for it. They were in New York City but I can't find FIST listed anywhere any more so I guess they're out of business now but they sure had a lot of holsters for almost any gun you could name.

Yeah, I've got a .38/.357 too. but it's a Ruger SA so not very practical for CCW. McCloud I ain't. :mrgreen:

Bob Mac

eddism 02-20-2010 02:46 PM

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Purpose: "Si Vis Pacum, Para Bellum"

That lump in the sock ain't no trousersnake.

Steve M1911A1 02-20-2010 04:22 PM

Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eddism
...That lump in the sock ain't no trousersnake.

No, of course not.
Even mine can't reach that far.
:lol:


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