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Old 02-20-2010, 05:32 PM   #41
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:53 PM   #43
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Some flavor of 1911 for ever.

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I prefer a full size auto pistol. I learned long ago that carried inside the waistband, butt to front and canted, even the full size 1911 hides very well. This is with no holster. In fact, it hides better than any holstered handgun I've ever tried.
I can shift the thing around if I need to when I am sitting, I can access and use it with either hand, etc.
I completely agree about having a real gun, something really significant, if you ever really need one. My first shooting, for instance, was with a 4 inch Smith 29, .44 Magnum. You wouldn't believe how fast that thing got shot dry. Full power ammo. Got the job done, BTW.
I've owned and used lots of small stuff. Still have and carry them at times.
BTW, there are times when the gun has to be used as a club. Much better done with a heavy steel gun that won't break when so used.
The other thing is that I can shoot one far better than I can the smaller, lighter guns. I've found that under stress, this is paramont. Very difficult to hit a bad guy, even when up close. All the help I can get is none too much.
I'll just add that I'm not alone in this when it comes to those I know or have known who have really needed one. Knew a guy that literally threw his little two shot derringer up on a roof after a very hairy shooting.
Everyone of those guys that got into the real thing, went to a bigger, full sized gun after their experiences with concealed carry and the smaller, "easier to live with" guns. E
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I prefer a full size auto pistol. I learned long ago that carried inside the waistband, butt to front and canted, even the full size 1911 hides very well.
Am I understanding correctly--cavalry style?
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I prefer a full size auto pistol. I learned long ago that carried inside the waistband, butt to front and canted, even the full size 1911 hides very well.
Am I understanding correctly--cavalry style?
Hope not.

X-draw maybe?
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:37 AM   #47
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I carry FBI cant, just behind 3 oclock, but I use a very good IWB holster, and with a shirt or fleece jacket or vest over it, its completely hidden
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Don't understand the term. The butt is to the front. The gun is in the hollow over the hip and canted to the rear. Kind of like a reversed FBI forward cant. You reverse the hand and slide it between the body and the gun, palm out. When you draw, you make sure the muzzle is pointed outward. Your/my thumb usually rides over the hammer, which allows additional safety. The trigger finger has no difficulty staying off of the trigger.
Not as fast or smooth as a straight draw from an FBI canted belt holster or a similar IWB holster. But the accessability to both hands and it's increased concealability more than off set these short comings in my book.
It's only real drawback is the gun gets wet when the weather is warm. But all you have to do is wipe it down with a good silicone rag once or twice a day. Never had one rust on me. E
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Don't understand the term. The butt is to the front. The gun is in the hollow over the hip and canted to the rear. Kind of like a reversed FBI forward cant. You reverse the hand and slide it between the body and the gun, palm out. When you draw, you make sure the muzzle is pointed outward.
That's about as good a description of cavalry draw as I've ever seen.

I've played with the concept for years--decades--but have never actually carried a live gun that way. Interesting.
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One of thoise things that looks doubtful until you really try it or perhaps I should say live with for a while. Between insisting on a "real gun" if I carry one, and the need for comfort and concealability, I haven't found anything better yet. E
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Owing to a (large) bit of arthritis, my hand will no longer do that.
It does seem an interesting technique, though, especially because of two hand accessibility.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:58 PM   #52
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Took me awhile to visualize exactly where the weapon was. There's entirely too many angles of the wrist & arm for me to be confortable with the concept-regardless of where the muzzle is claimed to be.

The cavalry carry originated in the need for the left hand to handle the pistol with the right hand using the saber. Comparative efficiency eliminated the saber, but traditions are harder to shake.
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I first learned of the "cavalry draw" in the 1960 Chick Gaylord book, Handgunner's Guide, now considered a classic (or retro-classic).

Gaylord illustrated the technique with a 1911, thumb-cocking it on the draw (!). He mentions how dangerous it is, and the way it's illustrated, it IS dangerous--the muzzle swings right through his entire body at about the waist/hip line. Ouch!

I found there's a much safer way to do it. You draw the gun straight up until it clears leather (or your belt, whatever). At that point it's pointing down, parallel to your body, with the muzzle pointing just to the rear and outboard of your right foot. Now, instead of pivoting your arm at the shoulder (as Gaylord illustrates), you rotate your forearm, which brings the muzzle to point just ahead of and outboard of your foot, never having pointed at any part of your body. Then you raise it normally and shoot.

And yes, you can thumb-cock a 1911 on the way there, too, during the forearm pivot. It's much easier with an original spur hammer than with a Commander-type hammer.

I've practiced this many, many hundreds or thousands of times, just for my own amusement, though as I said never with a loaded gun.
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...The cavalry carry originated in the need for the left hand to handle the pistol with the right hand using the saber. Comparative efficiency eliminated the saber, but traditions are harder to shake.
The OWB, left-hand, cross-draw holster is actually a pretty efficient right-hand holster for carrying a long-barrelled pistol...if you don't mind the probability of sweeping yourself during the draw.
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...if you don't mind the probability of sweeping yourself during the draw.
See my post right above yours.
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... Your/my thumb usually rides over the hammer, which allows additional safety. The trigger finger has no difficulty staying off of the trigger. ... E
Yes, it is somewhat safer if your thumb rides over the hammer on the draw. Most people don't know that technique. Personally, I do not use the cav carry because I do not find it very concealable.
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Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.

I can see where that cavalry type carry would work. I just don't like carrying without a holster. For me, anyway, the "mexican carry" just lets the gun shift around too much. Since my primary concealed carry is a 1911, I carry cocked and locked, and the few times I tried this I found the thumb safety would disengage during normal activity. Scared me.

And I would never, EVER carry a Glock, or similarly designed pistol without a holster.
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Re: Full-sized autos for CCW.

I wonder why one of our more innovative holster designer/makers doesn't experiment with a modern IWB cavalry draw holster.

The attraction of the cav carry for me is that the butt of the gun naturally follows the contours of the body when sitting. I'd think it would be very comfortable all day. Crossdraw is comfortable, it's just hard for some of us to draw from.

On related note, anyone remember this one particular episode of the old NBC cop show Police Story? There was this Black plainclothes detective who always dressed super-sharp--three-piece suits. He carried a brace of what looked like Smith 4" M19s in left and right shoulder holsters (something along the lines of Bianchi X-15s or equivalent). Came the big shootout scene and he drew both guns simultaneously--cav style! It was a very impressive little TV moment. (You can tell, as I've remembered it all these years.)
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I wonder why one of our more innovative holster designer/makers doesn't experiment with a modern IWB cavalry draw holster.

The attraction of the cav carry for me is that the butt of the gun naturally follows the contours of the body when sitting. I'd think it would be very comfortable all day. Crossdraw is comfortable, it's just hard for some of us to draw from. ...
Sam Andrews used to make a beautiful cavalry draw holster. When i ask him about one years later, he said that no custom holster maker will accept the liability of someone shooting their kidneys out. Interesting point of view.

A left-handed, muzzle forward holster might suffice for a right-handed cavalry draw holster.
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A left-handed, muzzle forward holster might suffice for a right-handed cavalry draw holster.
Indeed it might. Or a left-handed crossdraw holster. Does anyone make either such thing in an IWB design?
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