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Old 09-01-2004, 07:00 AM   #1
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m14 in full auto

i was just wondering whether or not the "wandering ' in the 14 occurred when firing say 3 shot bursts or if it happened when the whole mag was let go- or was the select fire an z"emergency" feature only- and if they did want it full auto why didn't they put in a quick change barrel or at least a heavier weight with some decent cooling?
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:06 PM   #2
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Remember, this was the early 1950's when we developed the M14. It's original premise was to replace the M1 Garand, and the BAR. Automatic operation was a necessary feature. The reality was that a 10# rifle couldn't be fired accurately with a .308 round, unless you exercised burst control. The idea was to use the auto-fire mode when closing with the enemy, keeping his head down. Semi-auto fire was to be it's main useage. That said, if it has a selector, most people will use it!! After 4-5 rounds, you were either shooting at Godzilla, or at low-flying objects.

I can routinely walk a 2 liter soda container around the berm with my M14, at 100 yards. I use 2-3 round bursts. Oh, and yes, I've done that, the 2-3 round bursts, while under fire.



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Old 09-04-2004, 02:13 PM   #3
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I can't add anything to what JR wrote but two to three round bursts are the way to use the M14 in automatic. I can put three rounds in automatic mode on a IPSC silouhette target at 100 yards within 7 ".
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Old 09-04-2004, 05:21 PM   #4
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thaks- i figured it had to be similar to firing a bren or fnfal c2-short bursts of 2-3 rounds only- the sustained fire thing still belongs to the m1919a4or similar-
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Old 09-06-2004, 09:13 AM   #5
 
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Here are a few short clips of two people shooting my select-fire Amith Enterprise M14:

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As you will see, prone on a USGI M2 bipod makes it VERY controllable! This young boy put 20 rounds down-range and if you watch the barrel closely, it barely moves! (It also has a Smith Enterprise break on it.)

The guy standing shot 10 rounds full-auto. This was his FIRST time he ever shot a full-auto anything, and he was able to do well with the M14!

If you want to know how it handles, rent one or ask someone who has one to let you try it out. After a few mags you will be able to draw you own conclusions.

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Old 09-14-2004, 11:28 PM   #6
 
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Not sure what you're talking about on either the Bren or FN FAL. I own both and have NO problem with controllability on either. The FAL is much better than an M14 - which I also own. The bren from the prone is a snap and from the hip standing does quite well with 3-5 or 5-7 rd bursts.
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Old 09-15-2004, 07:11 AM   #7
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actually i was speaking of either- or anything else in that rifle barrel configuration-just trying to draw a parallel between a full auto m14 and a bren or fn/fal- point being that they're fairly accurate in 2-3 shot bursts but won't take a full on yammering without wandering- even my mg 34 wanders quite a bit after the first 5-6 rounds warms it up- shoots a circle rather than a stream
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:41 PM   #8
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True machine guns aren't meant to be accurate, as they are area weapons that shoot a "beaten path". A battlerifle, on the other hand, is expected to shoot much more accurately in semi-auto. The fact that these weapons possess the capability of auto-fire was less for pin-point abilities than for the "keep your head down during the assault" factor.



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Old 10-18-2004, 06:40 AM   #9
 
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A three round burst is all I can handle off-hand before things go North. Looks like I'm doing it right!
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