m1 to m2 full auto step by step conversion

Retmsgt. · 01-10-2007, 06:58 AM

I've recently purchased an M1 Carbine and want to install an M2 Mag.Catch so I can use 30 round magazines. Is this legal or is this one of the parts that give ATF guys midnight erectile discomfort?

Snake45 · 01-10-2007, 07:07 AM

AFAIK, perfectly legal, as are the bolt, trigger housing, hammer, etc. Only M2 parts that will cause you problems are those not found on the M1 in any form--switch, spring, actuating lever, etc.

Retmsgt. · 01-10-2007, 07:28 AM

KEWL Brother Snake! Never know what that fun-loving bunch will come up with next. I mean, a piece of shoestring?????

Audie · 03-09-2007, 06:49 PM

I believe any of the M2 parts are ok, as long as you don't have all of them and as long as your recvr is not marked M2....BATF must be idiots.

Javlin · 02-15-2011, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audie

I believe any of the M2 parts are ok, as long as you don't have all of them and as long as your recvr is not marked M2....BATF must be idiots.

I thought it went that you could not have all the parts(built trigger ass.) and rifle residing at the same address?I did not think any of the parts for M2 trigger assembly were illegal seeing they show up regularly for auction without NFA papers being required.The other thing guys ya'll being more knowledgeable than I isn't the trigger housing for an M2 different with a hole for a spring I believe for the selector?

Javlin · 02-16-2011, 09:21 AM

Got the answer you cannot have all seven parts.

Patrick Sweeney · 08-03-2011, 12:57 PM

Correct. "The gang of seven" are considered a machinegun in and of themselves. One of the few actually rational decisions. Why? simple: any USGI M1 carbine, and those seven parts, can be an mg. Just install them. (OK, you need clearance for the selector lever, but no big deal.)

What this does mean, however, is that the feds made a mockery of their own "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" policy. Because there is no way to know which, if not all, of the surplus M1 carbines out there, ever had the M2 parts in them.

When legislative venom and ignorance collide with reality, we get bad law.

spwenger · 08-03-2011, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Sweeney

What this does mean, however, is that the feds made a mockery of their own "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" policy. Because there is no way to know which, if not all, of the surplus M1 carbines out there, ever had the M2 parts in them.

I guess this is technically a correct statement in that an private individual may possibly have converted an M1 Carbine to full-auto without creating any paperwork and later reversed the conversion. However, to my knowledge, when the conversions were performed by unit armorers (or higher), they were supposed to be stamped "M2." Thus, the Carbine collector who acquires a semiauto Carbine marked "M2," without going through the NFA transfer process can find himself in a world of hurt.

stand watie · 08-03-2011, 05:32 PM

spwenger et. al.,

fwiw, there were MANY unstamped M2 carbines "in the system" when i was a young MP officer in the late 60s. = NOBODY bothered to stamp ANY carbine at the unit level.

to ALL: the NONSENSE about MG, especially when talking about the US M1/M2 carbines, is PROOF of how IGNORANT/STUPID/WORTHLESS that the "supervisors"/executives of the BATFE is/are.

imVho, a FIRST STEP to disposing of the STUPID NFA of 1934 is REMOVING all MG/short barreled rifles/weapons made from a shotgun after 100 years.

yours, sw

guntotin_fool · 08-03-2011, 10:50 PM

In years past the shop used to get crates of Carbines in. One of the chores of the underlings was to strip them, scrub them up and to try to assemble matching guns or match condition of the parts. In a crate of 24, invariably there would be sufficient numbers of specific parts to make two different models of the same general type. ( rolling eyes and whistling while keeping hands in pockets. ).

Said rifles had to be test fired of course and after suitable enjoyment the parts would be reassembled into perfect usable and functioning M1 carbines.

phantom4570 · 08-03-2011, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guntotin_fool

( rolling eyes and whistling while keeping hands in pockets. )

Sounds like you had your hands in your customers pockets.

01-10-2007, 06:58 AM	#1
Retmsgt. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 5,714	M2 parts revisited I've recently purchased an M1 Carbine and want to install an M2 Mag.Catch so I can use 30 round magazines. Is this legal or is this one of the parts that give ATF guys midnight erectile discomfort?

02-16-2011, 09:21 AM	#6
Javlin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Biloxi, MS Posts: 1,544	Re: M2 parts revisited Got the answer you cannot have all seven parts.

08-03-2011, 05:32 PM	#9
stand watie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,882	spwenger et. al., fwiw, there were MANY unstamped M2 carbines "in the system" when i was a young MP officer in the late 60s. = NOBODY bothered to stamp ANY carbine at the unit level. to ALL: the NONSENSE about MG, especially when talking about the US M1/M2 carbines, is PROOF of how IGNORANT/STUPID/WORTHLESS that the "supervisors"/executives of the BATFE is/are. imVho, a FIRST STEP to disposing of the STUPID NFA of 1934 is REMOVING all MG/short barreled rifles/weapons made from a shotgun after 100 years. yours, sw Last edited by stand watie; 08-03-2011 at 06:33 PM. Reason: typo

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01-10-2007, 07:07 AM	#2
Snake45 Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: "Close, but no donut!" Posts: 13,128	AFAIK, perfectly legal, as are the bolt, trigger housing, hammer, etc. Only M2 parts that will cause you problems are those not found on the M1 in any form--switch, spring, actuating lever, etc.

01-10-2007, 07:28 AM	#3
Retmsgt. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 5,714	KEWL Brother Snake! Never know what that fun-loving bunch will come up with next. I mean, a piece of shoestring?????

03-09-2007, 06:49 PM	#4
Audie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,207	I believe any of the M2 parts are ok, as long as you don't have all of them and as long as your recvr is not marked M2....BATF must be idiots.

08-03-2011, 12:57 PM	#7
Patrick Sweeney Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 814	Correct. "The gang of seven" are considered a machinegun in and of themselves. One of the few actually rational decisions. Why? simple: any USGI M1 carbine, and those seven parts, can be an mg. Just install them. (OK, you need clearance for the selector lever, but no big deal.) What this does mean, however, is that the feds made a mockery of their own "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" policy. Because there is no way to know which, if not all, of the surplus M1 carbines out there, ever had the M2 parts in them. When legislative venom and ignorance collide with reality, we get bad law.

08-03-2011, 10:50 PM	#10
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,804	In years past the shop used to get crates of Carbines in. One of the chores of the underlings was to strip them, scrub them up and to try to assemble matching guns or match condition of the parts. In a crate of 24, invariably there would be sufficient numbers of specific parts to make two different models of the same general type. ( rolling eyes and whistling while keeping hands in pockets. ). Said rifles had to be test fired of course and after suitable enjoyment the parts would be reassembled into perfect usable and functioning M1 carbines.