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Old 01-11-2006, 11:29 AM   #1
 
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Came across this Carbine in a pawn shop

I was browsing a local pawn shop and saw an M1 carbine. The barrel was marked "underwood 3-44 " , the receiver was marked Inland with a 5-digit serial number, the first two being 55. The "m1" marking had a 2 obviously stamped over the `1. Do you guys think this is worth looking further into, or should I walk away? By the way I'm new to the forum and m1's so your input is appreciated. Thanks
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:34 AM   #2
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The 2 overstamp makes it a machinegun. Walk away.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:22 PM   #3
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I was browsing a local pawn shop and saw an M1 carbine. The barrel was marked "underwood 3-44 " , the receiver was marked Inland with a 5-digit serial number, the first two being 55. The "m1" marking had a 2 obviously stamped over the `1. Do you guys think this is worth looking further into, or should I walk away? By the way I'm new to the forum and m1's so your input is appreciated. Thanks
These questions should be asked on the Class 3 NFA forum, for M2 Carbines, not here on the M1 Carbine Forum. Being your first post, you were probably unaware. Please see below link. Jimb can you move this post to the Class 3 forum?

http://www.ambackforum.com/viewforum.ph ... 40ef6d742c
 
 
Old 02-26-2006, 08:47 PM   #4
 
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You should be very careful of ATF stings. Sometimes ATF agents engage in sting ops posing as innocent ignorant new collectors. They offer things up like this on web forums, or they initiate discussions about such things to draw emails or interest in owning illegal weapons, which this is. Pawnshops are more sophisticated these days. They have books, the internet, and read just like anyone else. Your first post sure was a doozy.
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You should be very careful of ATF stings. Sometimes ATF agents engage in sting ops posing as innocent ignorant new collectors. They offer things up like this on web forums, or they initiate discussions about such things to draw emails or interest in owning illegal weapons, which this is. Pawnshops are more sophisticated these days. They have books, the internet, and read just like anyone else. Your first post sure was a doozy.
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Old 02-27-2006, 06:51 AM   #6
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Unless the poster was going to give up the location of the weapon, talk is just that, talk. It's legal to discuss why a weapon is allowed, or not. I'm not sure, given the rabid nature of some other sites, how such a discussion would violate any laws. Action, such as attempting to buy the weapon without NFA paperwork, would certainly cause action. Then again, a sting such as this, unless you could prove that the buyer knew that this was a Class 3 weapon, would likely back-fire. While ignorance of the law would be no excuse, the seller would be the one breaking the law, as they would be certain of it's illegal status. Failure to disclose that the weapon was illegal, in plain language, would be entrapment.



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Old 02-28-2006, 03:35 PM   #7
 
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Darktribe, the first thing you need to do is find out if your state allows civilians to own fully automatic firearms.

If it doesn't then your question is moot since you can't legally own it.

If it does and you want to enter the Title 2 firearms world then inquire of the pawnshop if they know the M2 is a machine gun and what ATF form it's on. If they say "Huh?" turn and leave quickly. If they say "Sure!" they should be able to help on all the paperwork requirements.

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Old 03-15-2006, 06:16 PM   #8
 
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Excuse me, a carbine stamped M2 is a machine gun forever even if over stamped with a 1. But a M1 overstamped with a 2 is not a machine gun unless it has M2 parts installed. Why, because it was not manufactured as a machine gun, therefore stamping a 2 on it does not make it a machine gun.
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Old 03-15-2006, 08:00 PM   #9
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BATF: once marked as a Machinegun it will always be a Machinegun.


I hate to say it but unless it is a registered Class III firearm that 2 may get you killed.
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Excuse me, a carbine stamped M2 is a machine gun forever even if over stamped with a 1. But a M1 overstamped with a 2 is not a machine gun unless it has M2 parts installed. Why, because it was not manufactured as a machine gun, therefore stamping a 2 on it does not make it a machine gun.
The ATF disagrees.
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:37 AM   #11
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There are two manners in which the M2 components are registered. The first is with an M2 Carbine. Any original production M2 carbine is an NFA weapon. Those converted by the military were overstamped with the "2". These are also NFA weapons.

The second means is by installing the M2 components into an M1 carbine. This is done by a shop or individual. In this case, the actual parts are NFA registered, and marked. With this system. you may reconvert your M1 from M2 status back into it's original configuration.

The second method, however, requires by law that any parts of the registered components that wear out of fail be repaired by the original manufacturer. Try getting Inland or Winchester to do that. What occurs is a natural attrition of these sear-kits from the NFA Register, which is closed to new weapons or kits by Congress.

The BATFE has for decades considered any weapon converted for use as a "machinegun" to always be a machinegun. The Carbine is the sole exception, and then under only limited circumstances.




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