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Old 05-15-2007, 01:57 PM   #1
 
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Found: Colt AR-15a3 tactical carbine, but....

I went into my local shop today with the idea of laying-away a used handgun they had when the shop owner, who remembered I had been looking at ARs before, said "I got a real Colt AR in today". He said he has had a few on order for a couple years and this is the first to show up.

Brand new model 6721 16" HBAR carbine with removeable carry handle. 4-pos stock. Military/Gov LE stamped. Comes w/ Two 20 rd mags. $1179 OTD (about $1115 before tax).

I put it on layaway but I have been thinking. I am pretty sure that is a good price for this Colt. Especially if they are that hard to come by new. However, since I am not really a big collector of these sorts of things I wonder if I wouldn't be happier with a bushy, an RRA, Stag, or ??? as a shooter. You know, cuz they're cheaper.

So I want you guys' opinion. What do you think? Is there a quality difference that goes with the Colt or is the extra $$$ all for the name (and I guess rarity these days)?

Edit to add: This is it
http://www.colt.com/law/ar15a3.asp
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You will be happy with Colt. IMO they are the best.
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:56 PM   #3
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Who says they are hard to come by ?
Southern Ohio Guns has several different models for sale
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They are hard to come by because colt makes them in batches and releases them as such. When they first get released they are easy to find, they they become scarce. Vice versa.
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Old 05-15-2007, 05:58 PM   #5
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Well like I said Souther Ohio Guns seems to have alot of them for sale and has for some time.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:34 AM   #6
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Are you more interested in a collector or a shooter?

For a shooter, I'd rather have anybody's midlength than anybody else's carbine (short) gas system. Far as I know, Colt has never made a midlength.
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Are you more interested in a collector or a shooter?

For a shooter, I'd rather have anybody's midlength than anybody else's carbine (short) gas system. Far as I know, Colt has never made a midlength.
Shooter. I think my front-running non-Colt is this one.
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:43 PM   #8
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Re: Found: Colt AR-15a3 tactical carbine, but....

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So I want you guys' opinion. What do you think? Is there a quality difference that goes with the Colt or is the extra $$$ all for the name (and I guess rarity these days)?
you're paying more because the name COLT is on it, not because they are better then BUSHMASTER, ARMALITE, RRA.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:24 PM   #9
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I have a Colt Gov't Lightweight Carbine w/16"bbl and a Bushmaster HBAR w/16"bbl. I am very happy with either. Both guns came to me by unexpected events. But hey, I think I came out ok in the end.

I got the Colt AND 500rds of M855 for $825. The Bushy was traded to me for a non-working Century FAL.

I think the Bushy is more accurate due to the heavy barrel. Bushy has some cosmetics I don't like (AK74 muzzle break & an ACE skelton stock) but I still shoot it more due to the accuracy thing. Both guns eat factory & reloads with equal zeal. Also, Bushmaster barrels are mostly 1/9" twist which will allow you to shoot bullets from about 55-77grs with fairly equal accuracy. Most if not all Colt's are 1/7" and you are pretty much stuck with 62-77gr bullets, leaving the lighter bullets to become unstabilized in flight after about 50 meters or so IIRC. Some of the more savvy AR15 guys can shed much more light on that topic than I.

If your looking for an accurate & affordable AR style rifle that your not going to worry about scratching or getting beat up, go with Bushmaster. If your looking for name brands, go with the Colt. Don't get me wrong, Colt's are excellent rifles and are on the top tier.
Ok, I'll shut up now.

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Old 05-19-2007, 07:17 AM   #10
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For the kind of money that you're talking about, get the Colt (if that's what you really want). It's definately worth $200-300 more than a Bushy, RRA, or Stag.
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You're subject to getting a lemon from any manufacturer, but your odds of getting a good, reliable carbine are better with the Colt.

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Most if not all Colt's are 1/7" and you are pretty much stuck with 62-77gr bullets, leaving the lighter bullets to become unstabilized in flight after about 50 meters or so IIRC.i
Generally, bullets lighter than 62 grains (i.e. 53 and 55).work well in the 1/7" barrels. The problem is using heavier, longer bullets in slower twist barrels.
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Old 05-19-2007, 04:13 PM   #12
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Most if not all Colt's are 1/7" and you are pretty much stuck with 62-77gr bullets, leaving the lighter bullets to become unstabilized in flight after about 50 meters or so IIRC.
You can shoot 55gr all day long through a 1x7 twist barrel. Winchester Ranger 55gr is more accurate in my BM 1x7 than Fed XM855PD 62gr. Other 55gr ammo I've tried was comparable in accuracy to the 62gr. As already mentioned, I think you may be confusing this subject with the 62gr in a 1x12 bbl instability issue. If it were me, I'd buy the Colt.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:12 PM   #13
 
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Thanks guys for the input so far.

I'll tell you I have been doing a lot of thinking, reading, and looking on this decision but it hasn't helped me. I am more confused than ever. The reason is that there are merits to both. If only I had the $$$ to get both.

I really like the RRA I posted. I do like the mid gas system. I could go for the Dominator2 Eotech mount option (only $10 on this model), the 1:8 twist stainless barrel with the Wylde chamber and I would still be cheaper than the Colt. I could even have 1/2 of a quad rail paid for before I passed up the Colt. I could also use the RRA more freely without worrying about it's future collector value.

OTOH, The Colt is a Colt. The reason to worry about it's future collector value is that it will have some. It has almost guaranteed future value of at least what I paid. I NEVER see them for sale around here. I did some checking to see that the price I am getting is good and I am pretty convinced. SOG does not give their prices to mere mortals but I found 2 more dealers with this model in stock. One quoted $1550 and the other was not that far behind. Impact guns quotes $1900 if they can get one. One just sold on GB for $100 more OTD than what I will pay.

One question though. Since Colt does not want these sold to us Peons (which bugs me a lot) what if I have an issue? Do they honor the warranty for civvies?

As for the twist rate, this colt was marked 1:9 right on the barrel.

When I do decide I will let you guys know and if you have any further input I would LOVE to hear it.
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coyote: First figure out what you want to do with your AR, then figure out what accessories you want to add. After that, check your funds and go with what you can afford. I'd get the Colt if I was in your position and add the extras later. Just as you have stated, the Colt will hold it's value. I am glad to see Colt is finally making 1/9" twist barrels. I think that will give you the most flexability with most bullet weights.

deltaheavy & JRWnTN: Check Chapter 4 in Patrick Sweeney's book on the AR15. That is the section discussing using lighter bullets in 1/12" barrels and the heavier bullets (62gr+) in the 1/7" twist. I never said you could not use the lighter bullets in the faster twist barrels. The 1/9" is the best compromise for 55-77gr projectiles.
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:57 PM   #15
 
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OK. I have decided. I am not sure if it is something you guys said, something I read, or divine inspiration but I suddenly feel I have a decision. Not just kind of either. I am really at peace with this. I am going to get...




















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Well, I am not sure about that. But I am going to get the Colt, get familiar with the AR (this will be my first) and then decide from there. I may buy the RRA next, I may build my own, I may just add to the Colt, but first I will get the Colt and just shoot it!

Thanks so much for all of your input. It really helped.
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