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|03-29-2007, 05:50 PM||#1|
Join Date: Mar 2003
Collapsible Stock Advice Please
I have a desire to try a collapsible Stock. I see a bunch advertised in the $30 dollar range and are the 4-position type. Sarco has them. Has anyone had any experience with these cheaper stocks? I am not looking for something to take a lot of abuse and use, only something for the occasional field trip. Any issues with the use of a collapsible stock on a carbine vs a standard AR-15? I only know enough to ask the questions at this point. Any advice will greatly apreciated. Thanks.
|03-29-2007, 07:18 PM||#2|
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: "Close, but no donut!"
I have one on my DPMS .22 AR carbine only because my kid wanted it on there when I built it. When he leaves for college next year, it's coming off.
I don't like the telestock. It's not as comfortable to shoot. Cheek weld with an AR is bad enough with a real stock. With the tele it's even worse.
IMHO there are only two reasons to have it. One is you might be shooting the rifle with a lot of heavy clothes (or armor) on, or not, and want the adjustable length. The other is that you have women or small kids (mine is now almost my size) shooting the gun and again the adjustable length is handy.
If it's just you, put on a real stock and be done with it. I prefer the original A1 length over the longer A2 stock.
|03-31-2007, 05:23 PM||#3|
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: S.E. Louisiana
I had fun with mine. For casual range use, I don't think you'd ever have a problem with it. Plus they just look cool. The main reliability issue people have with them is that you can't clear a bolt-over jam by slamming the buttstock on the ground (done properly, it supposedly renders a c-stock useless). This has never happened to me, and I've never seen it happen. People who use them for a living have assuredly seen it, and perhaps had it happen themselves, but if you're a casual paper-puncher the odds are on your side. As far as the cheek weld goes, I preferred the c-stock to the -A2. I will agree with Snake that the -A1 was given to us by the Almighty through his servant Eugene Stoner as the perfect M16 stock length, but I had no problem getting a good cheek weld on a carbine stock. Only downside I noticed is that it tends to grab facial hair. If you have a beard, you might not like the c-stock.
ETA: In retrospect, I think I did see someone destroy a C-stock by slamming it on the ground in that television show "Combat Missions" back in '02. That particular failure was operator-induced since he failed to correctly seat his magazine at the beginning of the stage.
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|04-02-2007, 08:44 AM||#5|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Overseas, I was always worried that without the stock that I would bend the tube and the buffer wouldn't work right. However, that never happened and I never heard of it happening. I have an inexpensive collapsable stock on my AR. I've had two non-serious but annoying problems. The nut that holds the tube to the lower receiver will loosen after a few hundred rounds and I had to buy the wrench that tightens it. The bolt that adjusts the throw of the lever you use to change the length works loose and you have to fool with it to change the length. I'd buy a higher quality adjustable stock.
|04-04-2007, 06:46 AM||#7|
Join Date: Jul 2002
Re: Collapsible Stock Advice Please
If you want to add a collapsible stock to your AR, I'd recommend that you look at stock from the following manufacturers:
Vltor (pronounced "Ul-tor")
Stocks from these manufacturers will run you anywhere from $125 to $300. Of the traditional-looking 6-position models, both LMT and Colt use mil-spec tubes and other parts. You should be able to pick either of these up for roughly $125-130.
Nothing beats the LMT SOPMOD, but it's also $300.
|04-22-2007, 08:35 AM||#8|
Join Date: Jan 2004
I had two collapsible stocks on my Bushy and My RR. Had a jam on the Bushy and went to page three of the manual before I finally got it cleared(slam the rifle buttstock smartly on a hard surface). Needless to say I no longer had a buttstock that worked. Bushmaster sent me a new one free of charge, I put the A2 stock back on, sold the collapsible one NIW, and never looked back. Collapsible stocks look really cool but IMHO they are way too fragile for serious work.
|04-23-2007, 06:42 AM||#9|
Join Date: Jul 2002
I purchased a Bushy six-position soon after they first came out, figuring - hey, it LOOKS just like the Colt six-position stock, it's almost as expensive, and it's readily available, so it's got to be the same thing...how wrong I was. While better than the $40 four-position stocks mentioned by the OP, it was very sloppy as far as tolerances were concerned, with a very loose tube to stock fit. it almost turned me off from collapsible stocks, until Uncle Sam issued me a Colt M4, and I discovered the differences.
Sorry that happened to you.
|04-27-2007, 12:42 PM||#10|
Join Date: Apr 2007
Ask yourself if you really need the ability to shorten your Carbine. Or if it's for looks no problem. Many won't admit it, but looks to matter. Take Army CPT's advice. If you don't like it after purchasing it. Put it up for sale on any of the many Gun Forums. It will sell easily for close to what you paid. They are hard to find used.
The Tube and Buffer for converting to a collapsible stock are easy to find used. Just the stock itself is rare. Once you have the innards in place you can easily slip on different types to try. Most of the cost of a collapsible stock are in the Tube and Buffer system.
|05-23-2007, 09:06 PM||#12|
Join Date: Oct 2004
Most C stocks now are made of plastic. I have never had a problem with my aluminum/metal one. Even slamming it on the ground to clear it did nothing. I understand why plastic is "better" but I like metal.
|06-11-2007, 06:03 AM||#13|
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: South Carolina
For what it is worth when you buy a C stock you really don't know what you are getting. Case in point I had occasion to visit Colt and was talking with Chief Engineer about the CARS and I questioned the decision to go to plastic. He said the new resins held up better in drop tests than metal and they had dropped the news ones from as high in the engineering office they could onto a concrete floor. I estimated the ceiling was 12 feet there so it took at least a 9 foot drop to the cement floor and did not break.
He said he didn't know how high it would go but if the drop parameters were 25 feet they could engineer anything to take it.
The problem being we don't really know what the other vendors plastic stocks are made of. Plastics can be excellent to useless as we have all seen.
I have a Post BAN stock that some guy had altered to make it shorter. They were all made so as not to collapse. Only problem with what he did was it was then illegal and only useable from the shortest position as it would not lock.
I turned apiece of stainless rod and placed it back it so the stock would stay extended but I placed it so it was a bit shorter for heavy clothes etc and used JB Weld to keep it in place.
As some have pointed out, they will break and I suspect they were the non Colt variety. If you have the Colt you will probably be fine but if you don't it is anyone's guess how long it will hold up.
Another thing I don't like is no storage in them for ANYTHING! !
That is what I do like about he new variations with the rails 12,3, 6 and 9 oclock. Now if someone will just fabricate a maintenance box to go on the rail so the rod etc can be carried and protected it should help things. It could be a space under a new ACOG mount.
I am sure some enterprising designer will figure out this needs to be addressed and run with this idea. I have never really liked the idea of a cleaning rod carried in a case on the web gear.
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