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Old 09-17-2004, 06:45 PM   #1
 
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.17HMR AR-15 in PRK

I was looking at an Air Soft rifle that is made with a real AR-15 reciever.
Obviousley, the innerds of the reciever have been modified and would require sugnifficant modification to make opperatable as a firarm. However, I was reading that the only problem with the DPMS AR-15 was that it has a regulear AR-15 lower and can be converted to 5.56 NATO by just swaping the upper and that is the soul reason it's not legal in California.
I want to make one in .17HMR and .22LR and/or Magnum for the balence and innerchangability with accessories.
I found as one who does major machining projects on a regulear basis that I can buy a beat up barrel for cheap and make all the innerds myself and set the hammer forward so that if you did drop a 5.56 upper on it, the hammer would not be capable of making contact with the firing pin.
I am most concearned with converting an Air Soft to a firarm and the legalities their. I have read that you can legally make your own rifles in CA, but I am concearned as to if this would be a legal rought to take.
Anyone know anything?
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Old 09-18-2004, 01:06 PM   #2
 
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a citizen in the state of california CAN NOT manufacture or assemble from parts any kind of firearm in any caliber from anything that may be considered a "AR15" receiver. does not matter if it says"COLT" or "AIRSOFT".the only exception to this law is assembly on a REGISTERED receiver. the receiver must have been registered with the CADOJ prior to 12/31/2000.they do not accept registration forms received after that date and will use the information on any late submitted registration form to contact the applicant and prosecute them for felony possesion of a unregistered assault weapon. AR15/AK47/AKM/AK74 are banned by type, not features.even pump action AK types are a felony here due to the fact that they use a receiver that is close to the design of a AKM.if airsoft is selling airguns with a receiver that could be built into a firearm that is similar in apearance and function to a AR15 then they too are commiting FELONYS in this state.
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Old 09-18-2004, 08:16 PM   #3
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I'm not from CA, but that's some very wise info from garandguy10. Heed the advice, perform an about face and walk awy from this supoosed "airsoft" gun.

One thing to remember about an AR15-type rifle is that the lower receiver is conisdered the firearm as it is serialzed. It doesn't matter what kind of upper receiver you slap on it.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:20 AM   #4
 
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There are already a number of options for using .22 LR in AR's.

There's a number of .22 conversion kits on the market, and now, there are even dedicated upper receivers available on the market too.

You will need to be in posession of a legally registered/owned lower receiver.

I have a colt kit with a dedicated upper and it works quite well, and saves me MUCH money on ammo costs when working myself up for the National Matches.

Oh, I have seen one colt kit that was modified to fire .22 magnum...neat trick. Too much work for me though.

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Old 09-19-2004, 01:16 PM   #5
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...even pump action AK types are a felony here due to the fact that they use a receiver that is close to the design of a AKM....
? says who? where?
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Old 09-19-2004, 01:17 PM   #6
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Re: .17HMR AR-15 in PRK

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Originally Posted by 44 Canon
I was looking at an Air Soft rifle that is made with a real AR-15 reciever.
Obviousley, the innerds of the reciever have been modified and would require sugnifficant modification to make opperatable as a firarm. However, I was reading that the only problem with the DPMS AR-15 was that it has a regulear AR-15 lower and can be converted to 5.56 NATO by just swaping the upper and that is the soul reason it's not legal in California.
I want to make one in .17HMR and .22LR and/or Magnum for the balence and innerchangability with accessories.
I found as one who does major machining projects on a regulear basis that I can buy a beat up barrel for cheap and make all the innerds myself and set the hammer forward so that if you did drop a 5.56 upper on it, the hammer would not be capable of making contact with the firing pin.
I am most concearned with converting an Air Soft to a firarm and the legalities their. I have read that you can legally make your own rifles in CA, but I am concearned as to if this would be a legal rought to take.
Anyone know anything?
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Re: .17HMR AR-15 in PRK

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I was looking at an Air Soft rifle that is made with a real AR-15 reciever.
Obviousley, the innerds of the reciever have been modified and would require sugnifficant modification to make opperatable as a firarm. However, I was reading that the only problem with the DPMS AR-15 was that it has a regulear AR-15 lower and can be converted to 5.56 NATO by just swaping the upper and that is the soul reason it's not legal in California.
I want to make one in .17HMR and .22LR and/or Magnum for the balence and innerchangability with accessories.
I found as one who does major machining projects on a regulear basis that I can buy a beat up barrel for cheap and make all the innerds myself and set the hammer forward so that if you did drop a 5.56 upper on it, the hammer would not be capable of making contact with the firing pin.
I am most concearned with converting an Air Soft to a firarm and the legalities their. I have read that you can legally make your own rifles in CA, but I am concearned as to if this would be a legal rought to take.
Anyone know anything?
Build it on a FAB-10
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Old 09-19-2004, 11:52 PM   #8
 
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Hmmm, very interesting. I will further research this.

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if airsoft is selling airguns with a receiver that could be built into a firearm that is similar in apearance and function to a AR15 then they too are commiting FELONYS in this state
You tell me:



Tokyo Marui M4A1

One of the most popular AEGs of all time from Marui, the M4A1 sports a EG1000 motor and detachable handle/upper receiver. This is the perfect SOCOM project and is supported by a large aftermarket of accessories including the M500 integrated SureFire light fore-grip. Composite rear stock is extendable. Metal parts include barrel assembly, fully adjustable front/rear sights, magazine, trigger, handle/upper receiver, and T charging handle. Bolt cover flips open when you pull charging handle back just like the real steel! The detachable carrying handle reveals a weaver rail mount that can take a hi-scope mount that allows you to peer over the front sight. A flip up sight is also available. Metal flash hider screws off to reveal counter-clockwise 14mm thread for attachment of silencer (not included).


Might I note the function though.
From what i've read, the detachable magazine issue has been baned because all it takes is to drop a 5.56 upper on it. My plan however has been to use a release pin mechanism ( like on the Colt T-22 or Jenings 9 ) which would not only be incompatable with an AR-15 upper, but be completley different inturnally from an AR-15.
These Tokyo recievers are not capable of taking AR-15 inturnal parts. To make a working gun, I have to make the guts from ground zero.
I am sure that it's a matter of function. If appearince were the problem, then the FAB-10 would also be illegal.
As I said, the innerds I am going to make from scratch and they will not be anything like AR innerds. The will be straight bolt with a mainspring behind the pin, released when the trigger is pulled VS the Ar-15 which has a hammer ( two completley different action types all together.
In addition, the M-1600 is CA Legal and fits the same profile. If welding were not an issue for me, I probably would have taken that rought.
This airsoft rifle is legal in CA and is for sale in stores all over the state, so their MUST be some method to making the receiver to work without technicley being an AR-15 receiver.
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