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csmkersh 02-13-2017 06:13 AM

Question for M118LR
 
You use a "frogman" avatar but your handle is the designation for M14 sniper rounds. Frogmen were initially under water demolition experts but morphed into special warfare troops. Is that what you had in mind?

M118LR 02-13-2017 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by csmkersh (Post 568922)
You use a "frogman" avatar but your handle is the designation for M14 sniper rounds. Frogmen were initially under water demolition experts but morphed into special warfare troops. Is that what you had in mind?

Way back in 1970 Navy combat swimmers had many different courses available. The Navy had not yet encapsulated (schools/courses from other branches of the services were needed.) the entirety of the SEAL Program.
(I.E.)
If you displayed an extraordinary ability during standard small arms training you could earn a TAD slot to USMC Sniper training.
Specialized altitude related jump schools were TAD assignments with the Air force. etc..etc...

But in 1970 the basic principle was that every SEAL would have to be a Qualified Frogman, yet not every Frogman was required to become a SEAL. This ended with the disbandment of the UDT's in 1983, thus the end of the quote unquote "Frogman". All Frogmen that wished to become SEAL's at that time received another six week course of study, those that didn't were reassigned. Due to the Navy's Classification system (Vice MOS) MOS's from other branches (primary or secondary) are not incorporated or recognized. The same can be said for the Navy's notation on small arms. That is why the Navy lumped every variation of M14 into the same designation until the M25.

So bottom line: It was not unusual in the 70's for a Navy Frogman to have attended USMC Sniper training and utilize that skill set in the Fleet armed with an issued Navy M14. (Army XM21 & M21's just fell into the Navy M14 designation.)

Sorry it took so long, perhaps I got a bit windy explaining the Branch to Branch intricacies? :oops:

PS: M118LR is a 7.62 NATO Special (Match) round that is normally utilized in any of the precision rifles, bolt action or semiautomatic. (M24, M40, along with the M21.)

csmkersh 02-13-2017 07:11 AM

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Sorry it took so long, perhaps I got a bit windy explaining the Branch to Branch intricacies?
No problem. Legs and 71Ls speak two different languages so there's no reason to expect us to understand the Navy. :rolleyes:

M118LR 02-13-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by csmkersh (Post 568938)
No problem. Legs and 71Ls speak two different languages so there's no reason to expect us to understand the Navy. :rolleyes:

Perhaps that is why they have published the "Sailors Lexicon"? That way the members of the branches of service not graced with the opportunity to serve in the USN can learn to speak splain! What say Ya SHIPMATES. :D

csmkersh 02-13-2017 07:26 AM

Works for me.

M118LR 02-13-2017 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by csmkersh (Post 568962)
Works for me.

Just good Old fashioned inter-service chiding. (esprit de corps) I still Thank every Vet for thier service.


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