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Old 07-02-2006, 05:50 PM   #1
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CCI bench rest primers!!! Six bad primers so far out of 50!!

I bought some CCI BR primers on the suggestion tht they may tighten up my groups out of my new hornet!!! Well, I have had six shells out of the first 25 I have fired be DUDS!!! Yes there is powder. The fact that the bullets not lodged in my barrel proves that!!! I only had these primers for a couple days prior to loading them!!! So the subjest of poor storage is gone!!!

Has anyone else had problems with the CCI BR primers!!!

One of the guys at the club stated that there are several people complaining about these on bench rest centeral!!!

Terry
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Haven't used that particular primer, but I had a 100-count pack of CCI small pistol primers with about a dozen duds in it.
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:08 AM   #3
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That's weird.

I don't use many CCI BR primers but I do have them and have had great results. In a couple of cases I got better groups with them than with Federal GM.

Otherwise I use a lot of CCI primers for both rifles and handguns and have had no issues.

From the photos the loads look fine so call CCI . Have the lot number and explain the situation. They have been very responsive in the past.

One thing I learned is that if you do have a misfire with a good strike they don't want you to hit it again so they can study the primer as it was when it failed.
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This seems to be a common problem with them
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Old 07-03-2006, 03:52 PM   #5
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I am more disappointed than upset about it!!! I was always under the impression that the CCI Bench rest primers where A#1. I was hoping for a better load and got more problems!!!

Oh well chalk it up to lesson learned!!!

Terry
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:16 PM   #6
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Interesting. CCI is about the only primer I use. Stocked up on their standard large and small rifle primers during the Great Primer Famine a number of years back. Get a few bench rest primers; never a problem.
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Simular problem with the CCI Small Rifle Mags primers. (I know I posted this before, but others might want to know). Out of 50 rounds on the M-1 Carbine, I had 3 or 4 duds. The Primers had a good dent in them. Now I think I used the same lot of primers on the AR with no problems.

I am thinking that the AR has a thinner firing pin, allowing a sharper shock, unlike the Carbine's fatter firing pin, but still this is no reason to crap out like this.

Get the lot number and contact CCI. Some guy did the same for Winchester and they did something speical for him.

http://battlerifles.ambackforum.com/vie ... sc&start=0

I reloaded with two diffrenet lot numbers and all the empty boxes are in the trash now. Also I chunked the dudes in the woods.

Enjoy!
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:12 PM   #8
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I have never had a problem with CCI primers. Am currently using CCI BR in my AR. Have had couple dud REmington shotgun primers,
but do not recall any problems with any pistol or rifle primers, ever.
I'd sent the primers back to CCI, I'm sure they would do something for you.
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I've shot a little over 80,000 CCI primers. Maybe one or two bad ones in all those. Maybe. I've got 275,000 more. Obviously I'm a fan!

Sure it wasn't a loading problem?
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:18 AM   #10
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All I have is CCI primers, not one problem yet, knock on wood!
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There is a major problem with the 50 BMG primers made by CCI. Discussed in the later issues of VHP magazine. According to VHP the affected lot numbers seem to be growing
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Old 07-18-2006, 05:10 PM   #12
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I've shot a little over 80,000 CCI primers. Maybe one or two bad ones in all those. Maybe. I've got 275,000 more. Obviously I'm a fan!

Sure it wasn't a loading problem?
Positive!!! I have loaded 200,000 + rounds of rifle, pistol, and shotgun rounds with Winchester primers with ZERO failure to fires (Great quality control Winchester!!).

I will load the Shells for my firing squad with these and live to see tommorow!!! No blind fold please!!! Thanks CCI!!!

I am not a fan!!! For the first time using these $$$$$ primers I am less than impressed with their quality!!!

It's now a none issue for me because I trashed the rest and will no longer buy CCI BR primers and will seriously consider switching my 50 primers to Hirtenberger's only!!! Thanks FREE market!!!

I hope for our Militarys sake that the Arsenal primers they produced do not have this problem!!!

This will be the only trashing I give them!! I do not have all day to hold to talk to someone!!! Its a $10 lesson learned!!!

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I'm 55 years old and have been reloading since I was 13 years old. Except for a few Winchester primers on occasion, I have always used CCI primers, mostly CCI 200 large rifle. I had never had any problem whatsoever until I used Lot No. C01L in my 7.5 Swiss.

I had already shot over 2,000 rounds loaded with other lots of CCI 200 primers when suddenly, in more than one of my K-31 rifles, I got what I call milisecond hangfires. You feel the firing pin hit, but there is this milisecond delay in ignition. It was a weird feeling, but they none completely misfired.

I traced the problem to the new 1,000 primer box of CCI 200s that I was in the middle of using (Lot No. C01L) (I have over 6,000 CCI primers in stock of other lots, thank goodness). I called and spoke with the technical guy at CCI. He was very pleasant, but in a very polite way kept implying that it was a problem with my seating of the prmers. Essentially, he felt they were just a tiny bit shy of bottoming out and the initial strike of the firing pin was completing the seating before ignition.

Okay, it made some since except for the following:

1. I was using (and I'm still using) the same batch of cases that had fired prefectly with other lots of CCI 200 primers 15 times before and fired prefectly over 7 times since. And yes, I anneal my brass and take good care of it...it's Norma and expensive.

2. I was using the same hand priming tool as the previous 2,000 reloads of 7.5 Swiss.

3. Both rifles that were having the problem had each fired over 500 reloads with CCI 200 primers before with no problem.

4. As soon as I opened up another lot of CCI 200 primers (Lot No. J12L) and began reloading using my same equipment, loading technique and firearms, everything starting firing great again (and has been for almost 1,000 rounds).

So, if someone who goes to Angeles Shooting Range in the Los Angeles area on Saturdays wants the remaining 500 CCI primers of Lot No. C01L for free to experiment with, they're yours. As for me, I simply threw them in a corner and had forgotten about them until I read this thread.

I think one of the problems is they don't want to pay the hazmat fee to get the primers back and ship replacements. That would be like a $50 saddle on a $5 horse. So, they live in denial. Of course, I'm sure they get their share of calls from Yahoos, too.

FWIW
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I think one of the problems is they don't want to pay the hazmat fee to get the primers back and ship replacements. That would be like a $50 saddle on a $5 horse. So, they live in denial. Of course, I'm sure they get their share of calls from Yahoos, too.

FWIW
I recently had a primer detonate during priming with a Winchester primer!!! They not only paid the hazmat to ship them back they spent about a hour on the phone asking me questions!!! I was extremely happy with the way Winchester responded to it and they sent me a gift cert for Winchester ammo and other products. Also, they sent me the copies of all the test results from their testing of the primers I sent back with a note and phone number to call with any questions concerning the results.

CCI, I have tried calling and emailing (HELLO is there anybody out there) them. With no response and please hold!!! I don't have time to spend holding or chasing them. I am past being upset about the primers. Me contacting them about the problem is more for them than for me!!! 2 pack of BR primers did not break me!! If they don't care enough to respond to emails or a call then they obviously don't care that much about the consumer and the products they produce!!!

I will stick with what I know. Winchester primers!!!

I am in no way putting down those of you that use CCI primers. There are several guys that I shoot with that is all that they use!!! I myself use the CCI #35 primers for my 50 BMG and so far I am happy with the performance from them.

KEEP using them!!! I got a bad lot more than likely!!!

They just did live up to the expectation I had for them!!

Terry
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I am sorry to hear about the attitude displayed by the management at CCI - I was thinking about ordering a couple of K of their primers in APS strips (my buddy has the RCBS progressive press), but perhaps I should go with another brand...
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I am sorry to hear about the attitude displayed by the management at CCI - I was thinking about ordering a couple of K of their primers in APS strips (my buddy has the RCBS progressive press), but perhaps I should go with another brand...
Mark:

My problems with the BR primers is no reason not to use CCI primers. It is more than likely a bad lot number and I would not say that all CCI products are like this.

I am not as satisfied as how Winchester handled their problem and was expecting a better experience with them.

That all!!!

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