9mm sub gun ammo

Pigpen · 05-11-2006, 09:53 AM

I saw on Southerammo's websight that they have 9mm +p+ ammo made for sub machine guns on sale for $160/2000rds. Would it be safe to shoot in a carbine like the Camp Gun or Similar type? Thanx

Retmsgt. · 05-11-2006, 10:03 AM

I would give the manufacturer a call, +P+ ammo is pretty hot. I would, however, assume a rifle would be strong enough to handle it but...you never know.

William R. Moore · 05-11-2006, 12:36 PM

+P+ ammo in a Marlin Camp Carbine is a REAL BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!

This weapon is a blow back action, +P+ is intended for use in locked breech weapons. It's your weapon, your face behind it and your body near the magazine well.

snowhawk jockey · 05-11-2006, 08:47 PM

I saw that bargin the other day and had the same question about my semi uzi. I think of all the 9mm smg platforms with blowback(sten, sterling, fin ppsh, uzi, mp40, etc)action and ask, didnt they run the same ammo? I would love to get some hotrod stuff for the uzi...

William R. Moore · 05-12-2006, 05:07 AM

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides, there's a hell of a difference between a military subgun and the Marlin Camp Carbine. I'm not just talking end usage, I mean design parameters. The mass of the bolt is the main issue, springs are another.

William R. Moore · 05-12-2006, 07:04 AM

BTW- some of the "hot subgun ammo" label is due to the fact that the SAAMI specs for 9mm are at a lower pressure spec than European. IIRC, about 2000 cup worth. Someone cranking off some Geco or Hirtenburg is in for a shock if Remchestal is all he's ever shot. Cheap chronographs have done more for us than a lot of young guys/gals think.

8 inch subgun barrels also help out the ballistics.

Like the guy said earlier: "Read your manual".

Retmsgt. · 05-12-2006, 07:25 AM

Good point Mr. Moore, I was thinking chamber but, the bolt has to be strong enough. As I said, call the manufacturer.

Sunray · 05-13-2006, 09:40 PM

"...9mm +p+ ammo made for sub machine guns..." Isn't marketing a grand thing?
"...This weapon is a blow back action..." So are most SMG's. The notable exception is the MP5 and M16K, but most SMG's are blow back operated. Up here, the old Sterling and our Inglis HP's used exactly the same ammo. So did the Brits.

Merkavaboy · 05-20-2006, 02:24 PM

I took a look at the ammo in question at Southern Ammunition Co. (http://www.southernammo.com/). The problem that I see is that you really can't tell exactly WHAT type of ammo this is: there's no description, no headstamp info, no boxes etc. It could be surplus commercial or surplus military; you really can't tell just by looking at a box of loose ammo like Southern Ammo has on their website.

I recently purchased some similar ammo from another internet seller and it came in both loose rounds and 25 round boxes. The IMI ammo I have is headstamped with various 1970's dates and Hebrew characters (T Z) and the ammo definately has hard primers (it wouldn't shoot in my GLOCK). As for it being "+P+" in pressure, I really couldn't guess. The small handful of my surplus IMI ammo that I got to go "bang" in my GLOCK, the recoil didn't seem to be anything above or beyond many of the standard pressure factory ammo I've shot in the past, and it was no where's near the muzzle blast/recoil that I get from shooting the Federal 9BPLE +P+ load that I carry.

05-11-2006, 09:53 AM	#1
Pigpen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Republic of South Carolina Posts: 335	Sub Gun Ammo in a Carbine I saw on Southerammo's websight that they have 9mm +p+ ammo made for sub machine guns on sale for $160/2000rds. Would it be safe to shoot in a carbine like the Camp Gun or Similar type? Thanx

05-11-2006, 12:36 PM	#3
William R. Moore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,540	+P+ ammo +P+ ammo in a Marlin Camp Carbine is a REAL BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!! This weapon is a blow back action, +P+ is intended for use in locked breech weapons. It's your weapon, your face behind it and your body near the magazine well.

05-12-2006, 05:07 AM	#5
William R. Moore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,540	Didn't all the subguns run the same ammo? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides, there's a hell of a difference between a military subgun and the Marlin Camp Carbine. I'm not just talking end usage, I mean design parameters. The mass of the bolt is the main issue, springs are another.

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05-11-2006, 10:03 AM	#2
Retmsgt. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 5,714	I would give the manufacturer a call, +P+ ammo is pretty hot. I would, however, assume a rifle would be strong enough to handle it but...you never know.

05-11-2006, 08:47 PM	#4
snowhawk jockey Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	I saw that bargin the other day and had the same question about my semi uzi. I think of all the 9mm smg platforms with blowback(sten, sterling, fin ppsh, uzi, mp40, etc)action and ask, didnt they run the same ammo? I would love to get some hotrod stuff for the uzi...

05-12-2006, 07:04 AM	#6
William R. Moore Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,540	BTW- some of the "hot subgun ammo" label is due to the fact that the SAAMI specs for 9mm are at a lower pressure spec than European. IIRC, about 2000 cup worth. Someone cranking off some Geco or Hirtenburg is in for a shock if Remchestal is all he's ever shot. Cheap chronographs have done more for us than a lot of young guys/gals think. 8 inch subgun barrels also help out the ballistics. Like the guy said earlier: "Read your manual".

05-12-2006, 07:25 AM	#7
Retmsgt. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 5,714	Good point Mr. Moore, I was thinking chamber but, the bolt has to be strong enough. As I said, call the manufacturer.

05-13-2006, 09:40 PM	#8
Sunray Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,351	"...9mm +p+ ammo made for sub machine guns..." Isn't marketing a grand thing? "...This weapon is a blow back action..." So are most SMG's. The notable exception is the MP5 and M16K, but most SMG's are blow back operated. Up here, the old Sterling and our Inglis HP's used exactly the same ammo. So did the Brits.

05-20-2006, 02:24 PM	#9
Merkavaboy Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 28	I took a look at the ammo in question at Southern Ammunition Co. (http://www.southernammo.com/). The problem that I see is that you really can't tell exactly WHAT type of ammo this is: there's no description, no headstamp info, no boxes etc. It could be surplus commercial or surplus military; you really can't tell just by looking at a box of loose ammo like Southern Ammo has on their website. I recently purchased some similar ammo from another internet seller and it came in both loose rounds and 25 round boxes. The IMI ammo I have is headstamped with various 1970's dates and Hebrew characters (T Z) and the ammo definately has hard primers (it wouldn't shoot in my GLOCK). As for it being "+P+" in pressure, I really couldn't guess. The small handful of my surplus IMI ammo that I got to go "bang" in my GLOCK, the recoil didn't seem to be anything above or beyond many of the standard pressure factory ammo I've shot in the past, and it was no where's near the muzzle blast/recoil that I get from shooting the Federal 9BPLE +P+ load that I carry.