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Old 05-24-2013, 10:09 AM   #21
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yeah, and what did he call ME, punk? or can't you read?
I can read, he called you a Putzit not a punk, that is why I quoted him too so the post was directed at both of you. Now who's having problems reading and comprehending?
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I have no problems at all, because I don't care what anyone thinks, says or does.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:35 PM   #23
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I have no problems at all, because I don't care what anyone thinks, says or does.
If that's the case then this isn't the place for you. These forums are for adult and civil discussions, not soapbox rants.
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Old 05-27-2013, 01:57 PM   #24
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I can't tell, since so much of it is childish bs. Like "survival guns", that aint about combat. If it's not about combat, you don't need one.
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I can't tell, since so much of it is childish bs. Like "survival guns", that aint about combat. If it's not about combat, you don't need one.
Well, look at people in, say, the Alaska back country. Not so much an issue of two legged predators, but a bush plane rifle, etc.

Any gun can be used in combat with varying effectiveness.
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if your school doesn't teach and emphatically recommend the constant use of prone and/or cover, find another school. If they don't put a premium on FAST hitting, 2-3x as fast as the normal cop or soldier can manage, find another school. If they dont insist upon your being nearly as good from your weak side shoulder as from your strongside shoulder, find another school. You often dont get to choose around which side of cover you must fire. Firing right handed, around the left side of cover, forces you to expose your entire torso, instead of just your head and shoulder.
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he called YOU a punk. Apparently you can't read.
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Old 06-02-2015, 12:25 PM   #28
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Wow, it took you two years to change your name and come up with a response?
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Old 06-02-2015, 12:32 PM   #29
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Learning how to use and maintain a rifle, any rifle is only part of the drill and maybe the easy part. The part that many never face even in combat is actually taking the shot and a life. There's a book titled "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" by Dave Grossman exploring the psychology of the act of killing.
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In five years, through recommendations for books and schools, arguments about military training and service, the merits of various battle rifles and shotguns, name calling, and the death and resurrection of the thread, no one has given the gentleman what I would consider the most basic advice for an aspiring rifleman:

Start with a rimfire.
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That's good advice for a handgun as well.
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So no one has asked about your home, so I'm going to assume you know your situation enough to know that you need the skills of a rifleman and a rifle. An AR in the form of a carbine like the M4 is a pretty useful defensive tool and quite capable of getting most jobs done...there is a reason it's our issue weapon.

The Art of The Rifle will get you the basics. It's a decent book, not a fantastic book, but it has all the basics and the theory behind it. You can find it on Amazon for about $15.00 and it's worth the purchase price.

From there, now you're talking about employing the rifle as a weapon, but YOU are the weapon. So you need to learn the art of how to fight with a firearm. That is best done at one of the shooting schools. For urban defense 90% of what you need to know can be learned at a defensive handgun course. Since the handgun is so portable, it becomes often the first line of defense for a civilian, so I'd recommend taking the pistol course, then apply what you learned to the rifle.

In the mean time, Magpul Industries has a series of videos for sale to teach the art of defensive handgun, shotgun, and carbine. They are VERY good videos, worth the purchase price.

At home for both rifle and handgun, dry firing is essential; do it, do it often (safely of course). Just constantly handling a firearm goes a long way, you know automatically how it works when it's in your hands. Much of what you'll need to know is weapon handling, and much of that can be learned right in your home.
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To ALL,

There was a 90+ page DA Pam published by the Army's AMU called something like TEACHING BASIC SHOOTING, for military advisors, that sells for 5.oo or less per copy at the gun-shows, that I can recommend to teach YOURSELF or anyone else marksmanship with bolt-action, semi-auto & even light machine-rifles.

Compared to most "becoming a rifleman" publications, that DA Pam is GREAT.
(I've used it for training junior riflery instructors in Latin America AND it's available in Spanish.)

yours, sw
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I saw asquat's last post and it brought to mind a tactical wheelbarrow...
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I saw asquat's last post and it brought to mind a tactical wheelbarrow...
I have one of those, or was it tacticool.
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i'll second the scouting 4 boys manual and there are chapters on marksmanship and rifle maintaince in there- al albeit for the 03 Springfield and lee-Enfield - you should remember the boy scouts as formed by Baden- Powell was a para- military organisation to relieve the troops doing recon-not the sissified organisation it is today- and yes, I used his full name as some who read this might not be cognisant as to who that is- also people of that generation were far more used to" living off the land" than the troops of today
I find whatsits posts somewhat irritating and offensive, as i'm sure a lot of vets do
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