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Old 12-30-2009, 01:54 PM   #21
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Re: Wrong thinking on caliber selection/ammo availability?

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I'm stocking up on every calibre I own so hopefully, I will be able to use the right weapon for the right job, i.e., I'm not going to try and bring down a deer with a .22 nor would I use an M1 or M1A to shoot a squirrel.

I feel that makes a bit of sense. Agree?
Agreed. & if you can stay in the area longer, then a snare or deadfall makes more sense still! ["When ammo is scarce, don't waste it on activities that can be performed more efficiently by other means..."]
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Old 07-25-2010, 07:41 AM   #22
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One's moral compass would be influenced by the degree of social breakdown. If we're talking a "Mad Max" environment, most people would be "eyeballing" their next door neighbor as a food and ammo resupply point. Remember, the population of this country would go to the level of what nature would provide. It's estimated in the 1600's there were a million and a half people inhabiting North America - and they knew what they were doing! All the wild game and domestic animals would be gone within six weeks. Canibalism would commence, in isolated instances, within weeks. We all would be lucky to survive six months. If there are 100,000,000 rounds of 5.56mm in the entire state of North Carolina (don't forget about the Army, Air Force and Marine bases in the state) and only 1,000 rounds of .600 Nitro Express, one is sure not going to rush out and buy a nice double rifle in the latter caliber for use as a survival gun. Taking human life is the last thing any one of us would do and you better have a damn good reason for doing so, as after a social breakdown, government would reassert itself and the investigations would commence (not to mention Hatfield and McKoy type skirmishes).
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I'm old, fat and crippled up with arthritis. I probably won't last long. The first one here after I'm gone gets what ever he/she can carry. There are some non-standard calibers.
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I'm old, fat and crippled up with arthritis. I probably won't last long. The first one here after I'm gone gets what ever he/she can carry.
Yah, me too, but I plan to go down swingin'. And they'll have to wade through hot brass.
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Re: Wrong thinking on caliber selection/ammo availability?

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...... Taking human life is the last thing any one of us would do and you better have a damn good reason for doing so, as after a social breakdown, government would reassert itself and the investigations would commence (not to mention Hatfield and McKoy type skirmishes).
While I will not make an argument that taking a human life should ever be done lightly, I doubt serious on depth investigations would commence after a SHTF event. The govt. would have its hands busy just reasserting control for any such in depth investigations.
Now, if any "Hatfield vs. McCoy" stuff was in the mix, yeah, the govt. will clamp down real real hard on this as part of re asserting control. The point being they will be looking more toward the future at this point than trying to sift through thousands of past injustices.
The government will want to re establish social order. Unfortunatly, individual situations of injustices will never be rectified, they'll be lost in the miasma of history's fog.
Just my 2 cents.
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If there is an event, say a cataclysmic volcanic eruption, or meteorite, or the like, then all rules of social norms are going to be gone.


If it comes down to my neighbor or my kid, sorry, he's a nice guy and all, but my kid lives. Ammo in these cases is going to be like gold, it will be traded, it will be used as currency. just like food or fuel.

THinking about which guns to have so you can steal ammo from the police etc is probably a pipe dream. More than likely, what you are looking for is what you can scrounge. The markets will be black, and that means prices will be astronomical. I have seen something like this when I was in Central America during the early 80's. Food was scarce, not that people were not growing it, but that people were not being able to move it to markets. Ammunition, food, drugs, and fuel were the economy. People may say they will never do something, but when its your wife or kid who needs it, well, you'll do it.
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True, and it's still pretty inexpensive, too, 550 rounds for $16.97 here (and it's available again on a regular basis).

Every time I buy more .22 shells I always have romantic, movie-stuff notions of using it with my Ruger 10/22 and its 25 round magazine for "cover fire" here on the ol' BS92 mini estate, though God knows if the situation ever deteriorates to that point we're pretty much all screwed.

On a tangential note, I saw a nice Remington Nylon 66 on GunBroker last night (I'm off work this week which gives me time to peruse the gun auction sites at odd hours) that I was very tempted to put a bid on, even though I don't need another .22 rifle. I would love to have a N66.
there IS a difference between "another 22 rifle" and a nylon 66- just ask the fellow that OWNS one- look at the "torture tests" - and NEVER having to lube - just clean out the barrel once in a while, and that's it
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I'm old, fat and crippled up with arthritis. I probably won't last long. The first one here after I'm gone gets what ever he/she can carry.
Yah, me too, but I plan to go down swingin'. And they'll have to wade through hot brass.
Well that was my meaning to "after I'm gone". I'm just hoping there isn't much left, and it'll be mostly the odd stuff anyway. I don't think I'll be using the K98k or #4 mk1 at the end. The forearm of the Garand may be smoldering though.
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:16 PM   #29
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I think that in a SHTF situation that if/when you needed to 'dust' some bad guy/guys (and won the fight) that I would automatically procure whatever weapons they had using on me and mine and add to my own arsenal. I imagine that almost everyone on this list would be capable of putting most all types of firearms to use when yours ran low/out. Comments?

It amazes me that in the movies & TV when the heros kill bad guys and only have little if any ammo left they walk right over the bad guys firearms/ammo like they do not need it and would not use it in any case. Bloody stupid IMO.
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Re: Wrong thinking on caliber selection/ammo availability?

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I'm stocking up on every calibre I own so hopefully, I will be able to use the right weapon for the right job, i.e., I'm not going to try and bring down a deer with a .22 nor would I use an M1 or M1A to shoot a squirrel.

FWIW when a teenager on a ranch in Central AZ I killed 2 different yearling mule deer with my .22 Winchester Model 61 pump.

Hit one behind it's left ear at about 65 yards DRT brain shot. And on another one a few weeks later hit it twice in behind the left elbow with CCI Mini-Mags??( don't remember now cause was 44 years back). It died within 25 or so yards. Was getting meat for the ranch.

Another time out hunting quail on my Grandad's ranch with my 18 yr old buddy from town I wounded a doe with a jerked .308 shot while showing off. Young and stupid.

Found out I had run out of .308 so we snuck up on the wounded doe with our Model 12s. Mine 12ga his 20ga. I was above and Mike below flushed her towards me and I hit her in head and neck with 2 #71/2s at 15 yds. Killed her. But he also hit her with the 20 at about 30yards on her right side,so...... we picked pellets out of alot of venison that next few weeks.
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Re: Wrong thinking on caliber selection/ammo availability?

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...It amazes me that in the movies & TV when the heros kill bad guys and only have little if any ammo left they walk right over the bad guys firearms/ammo like they do not need it and would not use it in any case. Bloody stupid IMO.
Decades ago my father used to get quite angry at TV movies when they'd do something stupod like this. Often it seemed when bad guys were chasing the good guys the good guys (being unarmed) would manage to knock out a bad guy. They would run off without taking the gun. I mean, forget replenishing their ammo supply; it would be NICE to have a gun in the first place-- you think!!??!?!
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Interesting to note that a year ago 550 round packs of .22 shells were $16.97. Today they're $18.97. Went up 11.8% in 2010. Id wager they'll go up more'n that in '11.
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:13 AM   #33
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to all:

my solution for the SHTF scenario & ammunition shortages is CASTING & RELOADING.
(between my brothers-of-the-heart & i we can cast/load about 25+ different rounds.)

my personal "fallback position" for every eventuality is .22LR, .38SPL/.357MAG, .243 Winchester, 30.06 & 12gage shotgun.

given that we have at least 2K of EVERY caliber (that we have weapons for) loaded, MANY 8# jugs of powder, cartons of primers & tens of THOUSANDS of "once fired" cases, i think we'll be FINE.

it also helps to have "community of friends", whom you have known for years, who will "happily cooperate" with you & yours "in time of trouble"!
(i'm lucky enough to have TWO such communities. = one in Eastern WV & here in TX.)

for those of you who neither load nor cast, you can get "set up" for both for about 200.oo, which you will save QUICKLY, if you shoot much at all.

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Decades ago my father used to get quite angry at TV movies when they'd do something stupod like this. Often it seemed when bad guys were chasing the good guys the good guys (being unarmed) would manage to knock out a bad guy. They would run off without taking the gun. I Iramo94
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first place-- you think!!??!?!
But remember, boys and girls; Real Good Guys Don't Need Guns!
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Pete, don't you love it that when the hero is attacked by three or four thugs, he has no problem defeating them in hand-to-hand combat? He doesn't have to resort to a gun!

Even Bruce Lee would occasionally carry a Browning High Power...'cause he knew martial arts, even in his hands, was worth only so much.

Three determined adversaries would stomp most of us into a greasy spot.
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Whilst some of you are buying cheap bulk .22rf, you might want to be aware that the waxy lube on some of the stuff seems to oxidize over a long time (Remington Thunderbolt among others). This seriously affects the ability to chamber the stuff in some weapons. I wasn't storing the ammo in any kind of sealed container, which may make a difference.

The higher priced stuff seems to be unaffected by this phenomenon and I'm not sure if this is a widespread problem.
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i'll do you one better; instead of casting and reloading, how about casting and BLACK POWDER- you still cast your own bullets, but now you have NO CASES to deal with, and there's ways you can make your own caps and powder- there's MOUNTAINS of sulphur where i live- it's a byproduct of natural gas- we all know how to get salt petre, and charcoal can be obtained in various ways
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t-star,

i wouldn't argue with you EXCEPT that with our arsenal of reloading/casting/shooting stuff that we will NOT need to start loading for my BP rifles/shotguns for eons.

fwiw, we have OVER 5K rounds combined of government hardball & JSP for the garands/1917 "US Enfield"/Model 700LH/etc. plus about 600 rounds of "small game rounds" for the .30-06 rifles.
(that's 6 grains of Bullseye behind a 140grain cast bullet. - that load makes LITTLE noise & kills rabbits/squirrels DEAD, with little loss of edible meat out to at least 60-75M.)

yours, sw
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i'll do you one better; instead of casting and reloading, how about casting and BLACK POWDER- you still cast your own bullets, but now you have NO CASES to deal with, and there's ways you can make your own caps and powder- there's MOUNTAINS of sulphur where i live- it's a byproduct of natural gas- we all know how to get salt petre, and charcoal can be obtained in various ways
I believe that anyone who actually tries to make his own black powder, or his own priming mixture, is one taco short of the full combination plate.

Go read the history of Elutheria Mills, the Du Pont family's gunpowder factory. Explosions were regular occurrences. Powder was made in steps, and each step took place in a separate, flimsy building, handled by as few employees as possible. That way, one of the regular KABOOMs wouldn't ruin the entire operation, and kill-off all of the workers.
Making priming compound is probably even more dangerous than making powder, since priming mix contains abrasives that are meant to help initiate at least a burn, if not a detonation.

On the other hand, if you have a science-minded friend whom you consider expendable, you might give him that job to do for you.

KABOOM! Oh-oh—gotta go find another friend!
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If things look like they will get that hairy, learning how to make and use a bow and arrows might be advisable.
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