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Old 02-25-2006, 07:40 AM   #1
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Politics and survival

I mentioned once before that this is a survival/preparedness forum. That is what it will be. There are several members who can turn a discussion on flashlights into a political tirade, made even less interesting as it's the same old political tirade. I said that we needed to put that into politics.

There was zero value to this forum in talking about what Congressmen MIGHT have as a shelter. The responses were all political in nature. You will find that thread in Politics.

In the future, when the politics becomes apparent, the thread will go away. If, however, there are MINOR references made, we can all live with them.

Survival is NOT railing against the government. In fact, it would seem that such behavior will only draw unwanted attention from the very people that we warn against. Obviously, the fact that we just can't resist the temptation to do so would indicate that we aren't quite as worried as we make out to be.

There are way too many subjects here that require the input of real people , with experience. Politics is best discussed in civilized surroundings. By the time survival is required, it's way too late.
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Old 03-06-2006, 04:53 PM   #2
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So much for freedom of speach! Survival is not only railing against the gov't but surviving its 6 million edicts on the books and keeping our heads above water which is becoming increasing more difficult to do as this gov't steals our money faster than we make it through currency devaluation!

That's surviving in most people's books! Maybe you have a different definition than our founding fathers who gave up their fortunes and their lives railing against the gov't !!
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Old 03-06-2006, 06:33 PM   #3
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So much for freedom of speach! Survival is not only railing against the gov't but surviving its 6 million edicts on the books and keeping our heads above water which is becoming increasing more difficult to do as this gov't steals our money faster than we make it through currency devaluation!

That's surviving in most people's books! Maybe you have a different definition than our founding fathers who gave up their fortunes and their lives railing against the gov't !!
Great job making it political.

BTW, 'Freedom of Speach' means that the government cannot stop speach - not that private business (like this board) cannot, or that the government is obliged to give you a printing press and a drum of ink.

Frankly, I'm glad that the political BS is going to be sequestered into it's own forum. I'm here for survival information, not political crap.
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Old 03-07-2006, 03:23 AM   #4
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Well, it looks like this forum is really taking off now! What's this, the third post since friday? Yeah, no political B.S. here. Not much here at all.
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:23 AM   #5
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Apologies for putting up a post that seems speculative regarding congressional survival. My interest was in sharing the bunker/shelter information with those on this forum (wrongfully) casting political assumptions.

I do believe that the link does inform those folks in the survival forum and do not believe it was bad behavior, maybe a bit assuming.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:50 AM   #6
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To a point, they're joint.

Example: a close friend of mine came up with a nifty device, a daytime IR scope. Very similar to what we used in bombers to find German camoed bunkers in WWII (but rifle mounted / handheld), it worked off the wavelength that chlorophyl absorbed sunlight.

Vegitation showed as dark, synthetic showed as light. A sniper in a ghillie looked like a polar bear at midnight. Maybe I got those backwards, but you get the idea. I do remember the important stuff*

He produced these, and sold them, for a while. Until the dea (our drug ninja) went to ambush a dope farm in Oregon and everyone got away. Guess what was found, that allowed the dopers to see the incoming ninja.

Essentially, the drug ninjas put him out of business. They explained that those were now forbidden items, although there was no law on the books stating such. Uh, yeah. His lawyer told him that he'd be found innocent if he wanted to keep making and selling 'em, but to be prepared for $50K lawsuits each time the drug ninjas wanted to rattle his cage.

Is that political? Is it more political than the continued attempts to keep us from being able to purchase ammunition, vests, NVDs, long range sticks, short range sticks, medical supplies, and a whole litany of other items that would be very helpful to survival causes?

Something as simple as the induced error of GPS satalites is purely political, and has a direct relation to survival in my book. Not that I've ever discarded a functional compass, but.......

As far as politician survival, I thought the question was pretty understandable: if I were in a position to have anything (money is no object, just write another bad check) and no problems getting anything (illegal materials are OFTEN found with politicos!), how would my survival area look? Not that this is the direction it took, but I could understand the question.

All that to say: I'll tow the line. I'm not here to criticize the line, I just would be very appreciative of further clarification of where that line is. Where I'm at, it looks a touch grey.

Kind of hard to tow it, if it's not black and white.

*Important stuff: at moderately close range and in daylight, some synthetics became somewhat transparent. Notably those lycra tube-dresses. Cotton was still opaque for the most part, so it was easy to tell what some chickitas were wearing......... uh, that's survival related in the fact that, uh, you could, uh, check for hidden weapons! YEAH! That's it
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Old 03-09-2006, 12:18 PM   #7
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Another great post from my favorite "Pie Thrower"!(SPLAT!!) You're right....some days the line is grey and some days it's black and white. It all depends on the mood of Mr JR. Sometimes he even jumps in and rails against the gov't too! (but then he hops back out!)
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Old 05-21-2006, 10:59 AM   #8
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1.) How does having one's political rants moved to the Politics Forum impinge on one's freedom of speech?

2.) How does steadfastly refusing to accept any limitation on one's conduct differ from adult behavior?

3.) Why do fools fall in love?
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Old 05-27-2006, 07:53 PM   #9
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It's quite mysterious how arms and politics either compliment one another, or don't. Are the 1st and 2nd Amendments considered a political medium ? We often forget, I suppose, those two aforementioned beauties are the sole vehicle(s) for our availability to discuss our two most favored topics, here, in this forum.

If I read your post constructively, JR, it's really the rants, ad nauseum, be better suited ( over there ) ?

Hey, I'm going to get outta here, when I have something of value to learn or contribute in the realm of survivalability, we'll be back. After all, the other topic is only a click away.

Stay Strong, Bold !
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Old 05-28-2006, 06:58 AM   #10
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Blusteel, you're pretty much on the button. The forum is designed to provide for the transfer, and discussion of, survival techniques and information related to them.

I don't care if you feel that the destruction of the GPS system is political in nature, just don't spend the nest 600 words railing against the government. All too many threads here were turned into nothing but anti-government rhetoric, with zero benefit to anyone's survival or preparedness. They were moved, after multiple warnings, to the Political Thread. They are still available for further comment, just in the appropriate forum.
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Old 05-28-2006, 07:38 AM   #11
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As one of the moderators of the Political Issues forum, I agree with JR. That's the place for the political ranting and debate, not here.
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