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Old 01-20-2010, 10:15 AM   #21
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

Snake, these are the ones that I have, and I do not load the top 12 or that go over the shoulder and around the neck as this seems to work like saddle bags and with the weight on both sides, it drops down and stays there, and is out of the way for the gun to be used.
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?p ... &TabID=548
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:29 AM   #22
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

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My 870 has a white light, LED so it's not prone to failure from recoil generated shock.
I use a carbine in this role versus a shotgun, but LED is the way to go.

Concerning the mounting - anyone tried this?

http://www.surefire.com/870-Shotgun-Forend

I'm thinking this + X300 = positive ID.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:53 AM   #23
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

Pricey and heavy! Why not a single rail mounted at 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock, single scope ring with a flashlight of your choice? Less weight, less bulk, less expensive. Add the cost of a designated WML and that's several hundred dollars, still.
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

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Snake, these are the ones that I have, and I do not load the top 12 or that go over the shoulder and around the neck as this seems to work like saddle bags and with the weight on both sides, it drops down and stays there, and is out of the way for the gun to be used.
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?p ... &TabID=548
Got nothing against bandoleers; what I meant was I didn't like storing ammo on a shotgun sling.
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

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Why not a single rail mounted at 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock, single scope ring with a flashlight of your choice?
That's the way I roll...
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:14 PM   #26
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

Pics of your setup, if available?

SureFire makes quality stuff, but one can't do much with a 30lb shotgun. Less is more, in this case (and most).
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

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Snake, these are the ones that I have, and I do not load the top 12 or that go over the shoulder and around the neck as this seems to work like saddle bags and with the weight on both sides, it drops down and stays there, and is out of the way for the gun to be used.
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?p ... &TabID=548
Got nothing against bandoleers; what I meant was I didn't like storing ammo on a shotgun sling.
my bad.
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:43 PM   #28
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

Load it with Centurion Multi-Defense Shells. If the 62 cal ball don't stop'em maybe the other 6 otty's will.
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Re: Outfitting 870 for Home Defense

Sounds like the old musket-era "Buck & Ball" duplex load, reinvented... not disputing its possible usefulness--don't have the data to say one way or the other--just saying the only thing new about it's the factory-loading and modern materials.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:06 AM   #30
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I use Armytek Predator for my 870. Really powerful tactical flashlight. Good design and beam distance. Easy to use any mode of the flashlight. Like it so much
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To ALL,

As a retired LEO, who worked mostly late night for over 2 decades, I believe that ANYTHING that you add to a pumpgun (except QD swivels) is a BAD idea that may get you KILLED.

Particuiarly DANGEROUS is a light ON the weapon as it makes YOU the target.
(ImVho, the rest of the "tactical accessories are either a waste of $$$$$$ and/or slow your response down, due to weight and/or bulkiness.)

just my opinion, sw
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Believe me, if I thought I were man enough to one hand shoot and shuck, I'd forgo the weapon mounted light.

But since the primary use of my scattergun is night time critter service, I don't see another viable option.

I'm open to suggestions, though...
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:03 PM   #33
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WaltGraham,

When I was a marshal, I had a 12guage double-barreled "pistol" (10" barrels) that could be fired with one hand & that "little fellow" bucked pretty good. =NOT at all pleasant to shoot one-handed BUT it beats NO shotgun.
IF you have to, you CAN handle a full-size pump, semi-auto or doublegun with one hand.

Having had creeps shoot AT the flashlight (never got hit, thanks be to God.) that I had in my railroad & port security days in NOLA, I want NO light ON a gun that is IN my hand.

just my opinion, sw
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Having had creeps shoot AT the flashlight (never got hit, thanks be to God.) that I had in my railroad & port security days in NOLA, I want NO light ON a gun that is IN my hand.
Fair enough, let's hope those coyotes aren't armed...
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WaltGraham,

FORGET what I said. - The coyotes that i'm talking about have only 2 feet & they SHOOT at cops.
(The 4-footeds that i had problems with at times were NASTY-tempered stray dogs & VERY LARGE wharf rats. - one of my "pier security guys" shot one that weighed 16 pounds & was REALLY dangerous/aggressive.)

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I have a question about weapon lights.
I have a 20 bore Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip, adjustable stock and a Bushnell 1x red dot sight for HD.
I am leery of weapon mounted lights. If you use it for illumination you are communicating a threat. On the other tentacle it's tough to manipulate a separate flashlight and the gun. Has anyone got a reference to a commentary on weapons lights considering the implications in law?

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SW, does that include sight upgrades too? I was thinking of maybe an EOTech with a Big Dot co-witnessing BUIS...

Then again, if the $500 Nork '97 Trench-repro I saw on a local board's still up for grabs and I can pry the cash loose I may just use it stock other than picking up a bayonet for it.
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Diamondback,

YEP. I feel the same about sights on shotguns, unless you plan to shoot slugs, which I seldom have. - Shotguns are POINTED, rather than sighted upon a target.
(Every place that I hunt are "archery only", "buckshot only" or allow rifles.)

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SW, does that include sight upgrades too? I was thinking of maybe an EOTech with a Big Dot co-witnessing BUIS...

Then again, if the $500 Nork '97 Trench-repro I saw on a local board's still up for grabs and I can pry the cash loose I may just use it stock other than picking up a bayonet for it.
I think that would be an idea defense shotgun. I really donít go for the super-tricked out combat shotguns. Unless you train with a shotgun so often that itís like your primary arm, youíre just never going to get any value from all that junk. The best thing you can spend money on is FIT!! You really want a shotgun to come up to your shoulder and cheek precisely, every time. Remember, on a shotgun, your cheek weld/eye position is the rear sight. The sights that people put on shotguns is to compensate for poor fit; thatís all they do. If you fit the gun well, not only do you not need that stuff, but youíll always be faster and more accurate than some sucker whoís applying the wrong solution to the problem (exception is the person who envisions a lot of slug use). The í97 action is honestly the most battle proven shotgun in existence, so have no worries about it being dated; it will get the job done quite well.
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KG, I have no problem with "old designs"--my EDC sidearm's engineering IS older than even my oldest living relative, after all... LOL and my only problem with an old-school coachgun would be the lack of ready ammo on-tap.

Well, that and the fact that so far in my experience I have one of those misshapen shoulders that it's all but impossible to make a stock fit into, paired with the stubby arms that come with being a short guy (5'6"). LOL
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