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Old 12-05-2010, 06:45 AM   #41
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Re: Handicapped Tactics...What I Never Thought Of Before

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attacks on wheelchair patients often begin with the assailants upending the chair and dumping the victim to the ground.
This strongly, STRONGLY suggests to me that you want the gun strapped to your body somehow, NOT in a separate bag or a chair-mounted holster. Earlier I had thought of posting that a "purse" or bag arrangement didn't sound like a good idea to me because I'd think that a bag-snatch would be a common type of attack.

I'm liking the belly band--or perhaps fanny pack (secured, of course, not just laying there)--idea more and more.

I appreciate that too, Snake. My "Man Purse" is actually a nylon or cordura shot-shell bag, sold to dove and duck hunters and such. The strap crosses my left shoulder and the bag hangs down across my chest to my right side, so it can't be just snatched off of me. I admit that there is a chance that the contents of the bag could spill out if I am up-ended. That IS worrisome.

I have been rethinking the should holster option. There is a problem getting holsters to fit the new S&W BG from what I understand. And I really only had one shoulder rig that I liked in all of my CCW adult life...an upside shoulder holster for a J Frame that I think was made by Bianchi, but that was in the mid 70's, and I just don't remember. I know that set up would allow access with either hand. Despite spending several hours searching for one on the web, I have yet to find that style currently manufactured. Anybody that knows of a quality rig like that being sold (Leather please - nylon shoulder rigs are just too bulky), let me know. I might have enough money left after spoiling my wife and kids and grandkids for Christmas to enable me to pick one up.
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The problem with a shoulder holster is you have to wear at least a jacket. That can get old during nice weather, especially if you are using a push chair. Speaking of "push chairs" the type of chair--and your level of experience, play a big part too. With a push chair you can, with practice, move yourself around with one hand but not in a straight line. You can spin yourself in a roughly 360 arc with one hand while presenting your handgun with the other. But, my recent switch to a power chair is quite different. The natural tendency is to put the hand control on the side of your dominant hand. It would probably make more sense to put the control on the other side and just practice with it more, leaving your dominant hand to hold the gun while you can move in any direction and a straight line, albeit, slowly.

Also people using wheelchairs for a long time -- at least the ones over 30, tend to put on weight. (especially if you use a power chair) presenting another obstacle to get around. Not to mention ostomys, hernias, etc.

The bag that IrishCop described is a good idea, especially if you had a Velcro pouch built into the back that you would access from the side.
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I have been rethinking the should holster option. There is a problem getting holsters to fit the new S&W BG from what I understand. And I really only had one shoulder rig that I liked in all of my CCW adult life...an upside shoulder holster for a J Frame that I think was made by Bianchi, but that was in the mid 70's, and I just don't remember. I know that set up would allow access with either hand. Despite spending several hours searching for one on the web, I have yet to find that style currently manufactured. Anybody that knows of a quality rig like that being sold (Leather please - nylon shoulder rigs are just too bulky), let me know. I might have enough money left after spoiling my wife and kids and grandkids for Christmas to enable me to pick one up.
IC, I have something like that. Not really interested in selling it at this point (I hope to have something to put in it someday), but I'd be glad to send it to you to try and see if the style/mode suits you, and even to use as long as you're in the chair.

Details: All leather, with a nylon retaining strap. Maker unknown, looks like it could have "dp" stamped on backside but I can't find a listing of any such holster maker. Sized/boned for post-72 Colt D frame. Elastic material over the cylinder. "Pull-through" snap fastener, which doesn't seem to pull through very well. Maybe the snap's misaligned, or it might be possible to convert this to a thumb-break by epoxying a thin, stiff piece of metal or plastic in there. Only really small revolver I have on hand is a welded-up Smith 36 (a former holster maker's form) but it fits in there pretty nicely. Can't promise it would fit your BG but I imagine it would.

Email me if you're interested in testing or borrowing the thing. I can even take a pic or two of it and send you if you're interested.

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I'm thinking SafePacker.

You're welcome to try mine out and see if you like it.
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I'm thinking SafePacker.
While I regard it as a compromise in terms of speed of access - something than can be ameliorated by disengaging the quick-release buckle relatively early, the Safepacker is extremely versatile and could find good employment once you graduate from the chair. I use one for a four-inch S&W 629, when my dog takes me for hikes in the woods. Slung on a shoulder strap, it does not require me to leave my in-town belt guns in a vehicle parked where it may tempt a break-in. I recommended one to a professional student who cannot risk it getting out that he has a gun in his office. He can carry it in his hand as he walks to his vehicle in the morning, secure it with his safety belt as he drives to work, carry it into his office where he secures it in a drawer, then reverse the process in the evening.

If you can find a position that allows you to draw while in the chair, you could wear it on a shoulder strap and possibly use some sort of lightweight belt to keep it in the same position if you get dumped out of the chair.
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Hi Irish Cop: I've had occasion to be in a wheel chair several times due to ankle fusion operations. You might consider picking up an inexpensive nylon holster with either a retaining strap or a snap over the hammer. Buy 3 male and female snap sets. Install the "male" sides of the snaps to either the material below the armrest, or in the center of the back rest where it meets the seat. Get some help from a buddy to help you position the holster where you can easily reach it, and in a manner that your handgun is well concealed. Install the females on your holster and snap the holster onto your chair. Most nylon holsters are in the $20 range retail, and this might provide a good solution until you are back on your feet. Best of luck to you.
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Hi Irish Cop: I've had occasion to be in a wheel chair several times due to ankle fusion operations. You might consider picking up an inexpensive nylon holster with either a retaining strap or a snap over the hammer. Buy 3 male and female snap sets. Install the "male" sides of the snaps to either the material below the armrest, or in the center of the back rest where it meets the seat. Get some help from a buddy to help you position the holster where you can easily reach it, and in a manner that your handgun is well concealed. Install the females on your holster and snap the holster onto your chair. Most nylon holsters are in the $20 range retail, and this might provide a good solution until you are back on your feet. Best of luck to you.
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Thanks, Beemerrider, and welcome aboard!

I have progressed well over the last 15 months, and routinely carry guns in either a belt or shoulder holster now. Still in a chair, but can and do use a walker to get around. One day I should be able to use just a cane. I'm actually going back to work next week, and I think that will speed up my progress even more.
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Gunnysack fanny pack gun carrier, worn in front. Rip open the Velcro retainer, and there's the gun.
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