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Old 12-05-2009, 04:30 PM   #1
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Emergency reloading with one hand

Drop magazine
put handgun in pocket or holster
take good hand and put magazine
1. In between knees, OR
2. Stand magazine on floor or table.
3. push into handgun.
4. If slide is back then hit slide rerease and start firing. If slide is forward use sight on heel or belt and cycle, begin shooting.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:27 PM   #2
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

Another method:
Don't shoot to slide-lock empty, if you can avoid it.
Eject empty magazine and let it fall.
Place handgun, reversed and muzzle down, between knees.
Grasp reload in good hand, and shove it into pistol.
Grab pistol in good hand, bring it up, and re-commence firing. (If gun is at slide-lock empty, thumb slide lock down and let slide run forward.)

If you practice this move, you can easily make sure that the muzzle of your pistol never sweeps any part of your body.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:47 AM   #3
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

How about:

  1. Eject empty or partial magazine.[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
  2. Place gun in holster (reversed if using weak hand).[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
  3. Acquire full magazine.[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
  4. Seat magazine.[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
  5. Draw gun[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
  6. Drop slide, as needed, using method of choice.[/*:m:1u6jqn6q]
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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How about:

  1. Eject empty or partial magazine.[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
  2. Place gun in holster (reversed if using weak hand).[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
  3. Acquire full magazine.[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
  4. Seat magazine.[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
  5. Draw gun[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
  6. Drop slide, as needed, using method of choice.[/*:m:2dyfty3r]
I believe this is what Mas teaches in LFI-II. Can't say for certain because I was off in the revolver sub-class learning that one-hand reload, which is very different and a lot of fun!
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

See I should have re-read my LFI II notes. So now we have several ways to do it, take your pick and practice.
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See I should have re-read my LFI II notes. So now we have several ways to do it, take your pick and practice.
Yep. The idea is to have a plan, and a couple of alternatives/backups in your hip pocket. That way if you ever need the technique, you'll have something in your bag of tricks.

And practice it all weak-handed, too.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:26 AM   #7
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

I've practiced shucking the slide on my shotguns with one hand and I'm not too bad at it. But till now I'd never given the prospect of reloading a handgun with a lone paw much thought. I need to practice that some. Thanks.
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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Place handgun, reversed and muzzle down, between knees.
I see that as viable, mainly if your not standing upright. Otherwise, I think the excessive body movements are very counter productive compared to simply placing the handgun in your holster or pocket.
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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Place handgun, reversed and muzzle down, between knees.
I see that as viable, mainly if your not standing upright. Otherwise, I think the excessive body movements are very counter productive compared to simply placing the handgun in your holster or pocket.
Or if you don't have a holster on or that's not feasible for some reason, stick the gun in your belt or waistband or a pocket. Improvise, adapt, overcome!
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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Place handgun, reversed and muzzle down, between knees.
I see that as viable, mainly if your not standing upright. Otherwise, I think the excessive body movements are very counter productive compared to simply placing the handgun in your holster or pocket.
The object is to be able to clearly see the magazine well and the reload by quickly glancing down, and thus only minimally interrupting your scans.
All you need do is bend your knees a little, and squeeze them together for a second.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:40 PM   #11
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

I hear ya, Steve.

Trouble is, holding the pistol between your knees:

A: Locks you into one position and denies mobility.
(You can holster the gun for this process while moving rapidly to cover, etc., assuming compatible holster.)

B: May exert pressure on slide stop (particularly as magazine is inserted, which usually moves pistol downward, and can prematurely activate slide release, causing slide to close and foul in the fabric of the trousers. I've seen guys with Berettas have this happen, and not only is the gun now out of battery and hanging off the pants, but with light trouser material the extractor can actually punch through the fabric. When you rip the gun clear, fabric can be fouled inside the mechanism, preventing firing, and in theory one could rip out the extractor and basically "kill the gun."

Been teaching this stuff for 30-some years. Do that with enough students, and you'll find out that Murphy is indeed everywhere.

It was discovered in 2009 that large size (G20/G21) Glocks could accidentally get locked into the holster using the weak-hand-only technique I've taught for so long, when done with earlier Blackhawk SERPA holsters. Blackhawk got wind of that, and Chuck Buis at Blackhawk tells me that they changed the design to keep it from happening on current holsters.

We have to try everything a bunch of times with a bunch of guns and a bunch of related gear to see what we can rely on, and what we can't. It was after having done that, that I went to the "auto pistol butt forward in the holster for weak hand only reloading" concept.

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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

Mas, I bow to your greater experience.
I have learned not to shoot to slide-lock before reloading. But of course, in the panic of an engagement, all that would certainly go out the window.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:40 AM   #13
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

1. Holster empty weapon

2. Draw back-up weapon

3. Continue firing
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:11 PM   #14
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

I re-read my notes from LFI III and have smoothed out Mas's method. But, I went one step further. After the new year I've volunteered to work with wounded G I's at Ft. Huachuca. Two of them are in wheelchairs at least temporally. I got out my MIL's wheelchair and developed a reloading technique while seated.
This time I do drop the mag, then place the handgun between my knees so I can see the mag well, place a fresh mag in, pick up the handgun and cycle by placing the rear sight on the frame and pushing. One each Glock 19 ready to go and it is rather quick once you get the motions down.
I was thinking, (usually dangerous) but what if one Vets lfe is saved because we developed this thread.
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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Or if you don't have a holster on or that's not feasible for some reason, stick the gun in your belt or waistband or a pocket. Improvise, adapt, overcome!
There can be issues with this. Someone decided to teach it when we issued the 681 and loaded it with Federal 125 Magnums. You'll only stick that barrel in your waistband once before you decide there MUST be a better way! It will provide incentive to speed up your reloads if you do try it.
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

we were taught to drop to one knee tucking pistol behind knee reload then cycle slide off pistol belt
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

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we were taught to drop to one knee tucking pistol behind knee
Never heard or thought of that but I like the sound of it! I'm going to give it a try.

Gotta be careful about where that muzzle goes, but in that situation sometimes you just have to do the best you can.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:11 PM   #18
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

one handed does not mean one armed. Stuff the 1911 under the opposing armpit, pop mag release,grab mag and remove or let fall, push new mag in, grab the grips again, and slam the mag down on to your thigh to seat, recock on belt if needed and fire. This is a standard practice operation when I am shooting at the farm, the local range freaks if you break 10 degrees off dead down range. do i t a few times dry firing and it almost becomes as fast as doing it two handed.

This is also why my 1911's have the fixed sight made by Wilson that emulated the sight picture of a bomar, as it gives you a great big hook to snag the belt with.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:58 PM   #19
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

I've been practicing several of the techniques here and reviewed my notes from LFI III. I'm having to modify a bit to use with IBA on, but some good technique here.
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Re: Emergency reloading with one hand

I'm not sure where this training fits with what we need to practice. Are we assuming we'll get shot and not be able to use one arm ?
If so, we'd better get the BG and/or get medical attention before we run out of ammo.
Are we assuming we have a handful of BG and we some how run out of ammo trying to keep a grip on him ? Can't imagine why we wouldn't just shoot him.
I've never heard of a real situation where such practice was needed.
I do know of a guy or two that needed to know how to load his condition 3 auto one handed. I also know of several incidences where I, and others, needed to use the gun as a club one handed,..... E
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