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Old 05-09-2005, 06:57 AM   #1
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.22 Magnum Carbine/Assault Rifles??

Has anyone ever made a .22 magnum carbine or assault style rifle? I know Bushmaster has a 22LR but at 100yds its just not enough distance. .22 magnum will get me there realiably and for much less cost than most other rounds.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:22 AM   #2
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The only thing I found was the http://www.rhinelandarms.com R22. Not sure if it's a magnum cartridge but if LR it's still a sweet looking rimfire.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:25 AM   #3
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The R22 is not offered in 22MAG at this time, only 22LR. I know they are working on 17M2 version. The whole design is very modular, including the mag well, so a 22MAG might be in the future.

If you want to know more about this gun, scan on down this page. I have a thread or two about mine. I recently installed a VQ extractor which has cut the failure to ejects by about 75% and that's with the original ejector, not the improved one, which I don't have yet. The gun is very accurate and fun to shoot.
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:05 AM   #4
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Grendel R-31

These are no longer being manufactured, as I believe the company went out of business due to the AWB, but Grendel used to make the R-31, the carbine version of their P-30 & P-31 pistols. I have never handled or fired the R-31 or the P-31 (which is simply a longer barreled version of the P-30) but I own 2 of the P-30s, and it's a great pistol. It's very lightweight, making great use of plastics and alloys, and the magazine holds 30 rounds of .22 magnum in the butt of the pistol. Mine have proven to be extremely reliable and quite accurate. I'd dearly love to locate a carbine, but have not been able to find one, at least not for a "reasonable" price. My biggest complaints about the Grendels? The magazine is so thinly constructed, in order to fit 30 rounds into a normal sized mag housing, that if you are unlucky enough to drop a fully loaded mag onto a hard surface it will likely shatter. The sights are plastic, and not overly durable. Magazines are difficult to find, and have been quite pricey in the past. While I have not checked into it, I imagine spare parts are probably difficult to obtain. Lastly, and perhaps most annoying, there is no bolt hold-open on the last round, meaning that if you've lost count of the rounds fired (very easy to do during a 30 round string) you're going to dry fire it every single time you run out of ammo, which is bad, since it's a rimfire. I've not worked out a good solution to this yet, so I usually end up pulling the mag 3 or 4 times (per loading) to verify the rounds left, trying to avoid the *click*.
Here's the R-31 carbine:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1500/1548.htm
Here's 2 of the P-30 pistol, for those interested:
http://www.kimdutoit.com/ee/images/u...endel_P-30.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/jtjersey/Grendel/GrendelP30.jpg
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Old 05-13-2005, 02:44 AM   #5
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There was a select-fire .22 lr rifle manufactured before the AWB, or the 1986 Mc Clure-Volkmer Act. It was called the "LInda", after the designers daughter. It used a pancake style, top-mounted magazine that held 177 rounds.

There was also a Calico .22 lr carbine, some of which were made select-fire. It used the Calico round, top-mounted, 100 round magazine.

I've never seen either in .22 WMR, though. Tha Calico would have lent itself better to the caliber. It would probably have cut mag capacity down to 75 rounds, due to the added length of the cartridge.

Both of the above mentioned weapons were a lot of fun, and remarkably reliable for a rimfire.
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Old 05-13-2005, 03:33 AM   #6
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I believe that the Wilkinson Arms "Linda" was a 9mm "assault-style" pistol with a 30 or 32 round mag, and the "Terry" was the carbine version.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1600/1638.htm
The select-fire.22LR rifle with the Lewis-style top mounted 177 round drum mag was the American 180, pictured here:
http://www.american180.com/
Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?
BTW, IMHO...these American 180s KICK A$$!!
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Over at AR15.com, in the Armory/10/22 and 22 rifles forum, there's a guy talking about producing a 22 MAG version of the XM-8.

I have a hard time believing it's ever going to happen but he's feeling out interest in the thing. If you want a 22 MAG carbine, you might want to let him know. He says price will be somewhere over $500.
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Old 05-13-2005, 09:37 AM   #8
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Bullzeye, you are correct. It's been a few years since I had handled it.
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Old 05-20-2005, 05:22 PM   #9
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Yes. You can make it. I am not describing a macho project, just one that works:

1. skeletonize and paint the stock battleship gray;

2. Replace the mag release, the extractor, the firing pin and the bolt hold open as necesssary.

3. Have Bain and Davis put a forward scope mount on the barrel.

4. Use a Leupold 2.5x or Burris 2.75 scout scope with decent rings.

The result is a rifle with the following characteristics:

1. pinpong ball accuracy at 100 yards;

2. terminal veloicity of an AR15 at 100 - 125 yards.

3. low light capability.

4. the ability to carry 1000 rounds of Winchester cardboard box .22 win mag ammo in two linked Garand Reproduction belts;
5. able to take birds, game, deer, and larget.

All that is lacking is a 15 or 20 round magazine and maybe some one will make one some day.

It is not a matter of something looking cool.

Your urban shots are across a street, the length of a lot line, a city block.
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Old 05-20-2005, 07:28 PM   #10
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Yes. You can make it.
Out of what? Near as I can decode it, you are perhaps talking about a Ruger 10/22 Magnum, maybe?

I don't get the part about the "two linked Garand reproduction belts." If you're talking about the web belts, those things are somewhat heavy themselves. You'd be better off carrying ammo in something like a small nylon back or fanny pack.
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