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Old 11-23-2003, 04:10 AM   #1
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Raped then Sodomized...

..was how one fellow employ put stated it.

Here I am at the counter checking in a Father (late 50s) and Son (Mid 30s) who are heading out to the rifle range to sight for a deer hunting trip up in GA.

I open the first case and there is a CETME. OK, now for the other case. The father states "Your going to find this interestng!"

As I open the case I see a Springfield Trapdoor - 45-70, very good condition and notice it doesn't have a front sight. The Father remarks he got the gun back when he was 12 or something like that and brought it home on the handle bars of his bike. He also stated that it was originally an "Infantry" length rifle but had been cut down to carbine length. Hence the absence of a front sight. Any collector value this gun may have had had been taken away.

My eyes continue down the barrel and they stop at the receiver. I blink a couple times to make sure I'm not seeing things but yes, it is still there!

On the receiver, right above the chamber is a Weaver rail apoxyed there and attached to that is a BSA Red-dot scope.

I blink a few more times, while I mutter "That's not right!" a little too loud. He asks me what I said and I look at him with pitty in my eyes and say "That's not right... it is just WRONG!" a Red-Dot on a Trapdoor?" His reply"Really neat, hun?! The Trapdoor even clears the scope" which he says with a grin.

About that time the store Manager, who has seen most everything, walks over with a confused look of disbelief in his eye as I proudly hand the gun over to him. He looks it over and says "Now thats DIFFERENT! Not something I would have thought of or done."

Seeing we are in the middle of our 24th Anniversary Sale and the owner of the store is running around I figure if the Manager had never seen something this stupid neither has the owner... so off I go with the rifle in hand.

I find him over in the "Tactical" section and walk up saying "Hey KA, want to see an Original Entry Weapon?" He looks up, does a double take and says "You've got to be kidding me, who's gun is that!?" I point out the customer and say he's going out on the range to sight it in for a deer hunting trip. He shakes his head and hands the gun back.

As I arrive back at the counter where the customer is here comes our Gun Smith (an extreamly vocal individual when it comes to guns). I motion him over and try and hand him the gun. He just stands there looking it over and states "I've got no comment!" and walks away.

While I can understand the reasoning of putting on a Red-Dot scope and an argument can be made for anything, some things are just not right no matter how good the arguments and reasoning. I wanted to take the gun and tell it I'm sorry and it will be alright.

Another employee who had seen it put it best... First the gun was rapped the that guy sodomized it. Well put brother, well put.
 
Old 11-24-2003, 12:51 PM   #2
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Great story, Schmit!

think my reaction would have been about the same as yours...
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Old 06-13-2004, 05:48 PM   #3
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i have to agree, that while is neat, is just wrong, like putting a high power tactical scope on a .30-30, it would be a kinda neat conversation piece....original entry weapon...i love it ha ha ha
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:42 PM   #4
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garand_sporter.jpg

Many moons ago, the American Rifleman ran a how-to article for sporterizing the Garand, including the permanent modification (cut/weld) of the magazine assembly to hold only five rounds. The latter was more to take the belly out of the stock, but also had the side benefit of complying with certain states' hunting regulations. The gas cylinder modification looks to be similiar to the one shown in the picture.

There is a reprint of the article in The NRA Gunsmithing Guide.
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:15 AM   #5
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Maybe its because I just woke up and haven't had any coffee yet, or maybe its because I just am weird but...

I Like THAT!

Going to have to try and find a that article.

Would make a neat project/hunting rifle/converstion piece!
 
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Maybe its because I just woke up and haven't had any coffee yet, or maybe its because I just am weird but...

I Like THAT!

Going to have to try and find a that article.

Would make a neat project/hunting rifle/converstion piece!
Please tell me it's the general idea you like, and not that "perversion of wood" that someone tried to pass off as a rifle stock.
The vision of a Monte Carlo rollover on a Garand makes my stomach churn....
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Old 10-17-2004, 04:22 PM   #7
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Why would anyone take a fine old battlerifle and do that to it? Don't they have any respect for the weapon as a piece of history?

Grrr....
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:45 PM   #8
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I bought a 1873 trap that had a buldge in the barrel at the muzzel. so i cut her down to carbine and she shoots great !!
"no choice" if i wanted to shoot her .
that is that . but the pure bubba home gunsmith garand
makes my blood boil he turned a fine presion weapon
into 8 lbs of useless junk
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Old 10-18-2004, 06:45 AM   #9
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epoxy can be undone. D&T cannot.
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:03 AM   #10
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A lot of old men have a hard time seeing iron sights. Optics makes it possible for them to continue shooting. A weaver rail epoxied to the rifle can be removed and the epoxy cleaned up. There's a 76 year old guy at my range who has a similarly mounted scope on an otherwise original K98 Mauser.
 
Old 10-18-2004, 03:02 PM   #11
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What NMM1AFan said! I just don't get it when people do things like that to great weapons that are so much a part of our history and heritage.

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Old 10-18-2004, 04:44 PM   #12
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A red dot on a trapdoor!!?? The ghost of the sporterizer strikes again!
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Old 10-19-2004, 04:39 AM   #13
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Some People...

You know, some people could mess up a wet dream !
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Old 10-19-2004, 10:48 AM   #14
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I think that we will become polarized on this issue... I know that me and all of the old timers from Battlerifles are purists and would never sporterize good rifles. If I HAD to, I would stay away from epoxy and hope and do it the right way.
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If I HAD to, I would stay away from epoxy and hope and do it the right way.
you would rather see a receiver drilled and tapped, which is irreversible, instead of epoxied, which is reversible??
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Old 10-19-2004, 12:41 PM   #16
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I can see putting a scope on a Trapdoor.I would,however,expect it to be a repro of those looooong brass tube scopes.You know,like you've seen on pics of buffalo rifles.

If somebody wants to bubba down a non-matching numbers 91/30 fine.Those are a dime a dozen.

Trapdoors are special.
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Old 10-20-2004, 05:20 PM   #17
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Schmit,
You should've asked the Father if he lets his teenaged granddaughter smoke cigatettes at the breakfast table in front of her kids...
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Old 10-21-2004, 04:19 PM   #18
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Funny story even though it really ticks me off
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I'm resurrecting this thread to show another example of a sporterized Garand.

International Harvester M1 Garand .30-06 : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com
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Shucks... they took off the smilie for BARF
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