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Old 10-13-2012, 09:05 PM   #21
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Heard that, man! I seriously LOVE the tone coming from that amp- doesn't matter if it's running dirty or clean, it just sounds AWESOME! with my "Hellecaster..." LOL But- this is a gun forum, not an amp forum... Actually, this particular M1 is pretty much a "family heirloom," I think my dad bought it used around 1972 or so, and it was sitting in a closet gathering rust until I got it (thank the makers for Birchwood-Casey Gun Spray! LOL) There was a huge box that had seven 15-rd. mags and some old ammo that was stored with it (which is why I was looking for the bullets for reasonable, I gotta knock these 40-year-old shells apart and re-do 'em...)
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:35 AM   #22
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Well I for one tend to think the little carbine is a magnificent weapon, especially in an urban environment. A few years ago I wrote this article to put it in perspective: Putting the M1 Carbine in the Right Context | Shooters' Journal

The biggest issue has always been the ammunition. If you use soft points, or the JHP from Cor-Bon, it’s a very effective little weapon. While not a long range weapon I have scored out to 300 with it on multiple occasions. I’ve used it to kill hogs with not a single hint of a problem. Given proper ammunition, I’d hot hesitate to shoot a deer with it; hit ‘em well and they will die.

But you have to keep things in perspective, it was meant as a replacement for a pistol; it’s an early PDW and it did that job magnificently well. But it was so popular that it got pressed into front line duty way too often.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:45 AM   #23
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Kevin, that was a nice article. I remember another one written by the late Chuck Karwan (a Vietnam Special Forces vet, so he knew a thing or three about carbines) in which he speculated that much of the bad Korean War rap was due to the fact that soldiers were spraying & praying on full auto and simply missed a lot! While not M2 .30 cal, the .30 carbine had plenty of oomph to punch through CHICOM winter uniforms at its intended range.
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:30 PM   #24
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to ALL,

despite my dismissal of the .30cal carbine for HUNTING deer, my uncle (who was a PO2 & after the WIA of the Chief of the Champion off Eniwetok, he was made "acting chief of the boat" on the USS CHAMPION, AM-314, during WWII) LIKED the M1A1 carbine well enough "for his purposes" in the South Pacific that he TRADED FOR a carbine from an Army EM for three cartons of Lucky Strikes & a sheath knife that my uncle had made on board the Champion. - my uncle made LOTS of knives during WWII & brought enough of them home to give one to every male adult in the family.
(I know LITTLE about the USN, but evidently PO aboard the Champion were issued .38SPL revolvers, instead of longarms. - My uncle said that "I couldn't hit a @#$%^! thing with it, so i got me a carbine.")

My uncle went ashore at Guadacanal (for some unknown purpose) for a some period & also at (he said) a "couple of other little plots of sand near Iwo Jima" later.
(As he received the Purple Heart, for being wounded ashore at one island, i presume that he was actually present during the fighting some place. - He never told me where/why he got his 2 PH, before his passing in 1982.)

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Sw, if your uncle was like my WWII-vet relatives, he probably did a lot more that he never talked about. One of my uncles was awarded 4 (FOUR) DSC's...I never knew about it until his funeral.
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shep854,

TRUE.

Unfortunately, i have NO obvious way of finding out either. - His military records (and SADLY those of my father, who was in the USAAF - in B-17s) were among those which were DESTROYED by fire years ago at USARPERECCEN in St Louis.
(I received a "nice letter" from a GS13 there, when i requested their records, which said in so many words: we are sorry but we know that the two men served, as we have a list of those who served in WWII, but that's all as the records were destroyed by fire.)

After my father died in 1966, i tried to get Mother, my aunts, my other uncles & everyone else that he knew from that period without much success. - My Dad would NOT talk, even to Mother, about his service, as he had taken an oath to his AmerIndian clan to say nothing & traditional/fullbloods AI are like that.
He never told me much of anything either, when i was a child.

fyi, i never told anyone (when i was doing it) much of anything anything about my years on AD, either. = NOBODY would understand, if they didn't serve & the ones who did, know.
(I didn't do anything very exciting, i'm afraid. = catching crooks for any agency, is just "police work" & that's all it is. = mostly BORING & routine.)

Ona similar subject: i grew up less than 3 city blocks from a FAMOUS WWII Marine Raider, who was with Carlson on the Makin Island Raid & was one of 2 Marine Raiders, who was captured by the Japanese but were NOT beheaded.= there is considerable information on him at The Marine Raider Museum in Richmond, VA.
(R.B. L. & one other Raider were severely wounded during the raid & evidently the Japanese either thought that those 2 were dead or were soon to die, so they didn't behead them with a sword, as the other captured raiders were. )

After he died, his wife found a journal that he had kept during WWII about his experiences. - ALL that "EmilyAnn" knew was that he was a former US Marine & desired to be buried in his Marine dress uniform - he was.
(She had married him in 1947 & he told her ZILCH, in over 50 years of marriage.)

Those WWII guys mostly didn't talk.

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Thats a good article Kevin and I still have my doubts about the Korean thing I mean 1800-2000 fps should be enough esp. when I have seen mine penetrate 4X4 @100yds FMJ of course.I still keep mine by the bed for 1) my loads are about 1900fps (better than any handgun) 2) I am not going to miss w/16" barrel,I'm not!! Out at the range I can at 50-75yds make a can dance using only the front sight and quick reacquistion.As soon as that can hits the turf it's time to fly again,no recoil!Out beyond 100yds I do not really recall playing that much but like you said close quarters and thats closer than 100yds in my book.
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When I was a kid, our family dentist used to fill his deer tag every year, year after year, with an M1 carbine. He loved the thing.

And IIRC the late Jim Cirillo of the NYPD Stakeout Squad is supposed to have said that nothing put down a felon at close range faster than the M1 carbine--not magnums, not shotguns, nothing.

I've had one on "house guard" for about 25 years now.
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@Kevin Gibson:
Great article! And yes, I've even seen a couple of those old rangemasters that reacted like Gunney Ermey on a real bad day... LOL and that was when they were having a GOOD day! ROFL!

But, I do agree with you on the bullets. It's just like guitar strings (and yes, I do use these terms interchangeably)- the right strings will make a guitar play best, to YOU. It's pretty much the same for bullet types and loads.

I really like my M1 a lot, I'm just wondering why all of a sudden the "working items" have taken a hiatus. If I ever figure it out, I'll post it here...
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It might be that Ammo is short all around. I went into a local gun store yesterday, just to poke my nose in. The racks were barer than I've ever seen them at that place, in hand guns and long guns. One of the few remaining semiautos was being bought off the shelf by some guy who was getting it for his GF. The shopkeeper was talking about not having any shells in stock but that he'd call around to other stores for them. I'm wondering if it is like that anywhere. It actually made the inventories I saw in late 2008 seem big. Back then, though handguns were scarce, there were plenty of long guns in shops around here. If Ammo prices are astronomical, they probably are across the board for all guns. If there are foreign or other surplus stocks of Carbine Ammo, they just may not be coming into the market in large enough stocks to offset that. Other components may be in short supply for similar reasons.
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Thats a good article Kevin and I still have my doubts about the Korean thing I mean 1800-2000 fps should be enough esp. when I have seen mine penetrate 4X4 @100yds FMJ of course.I still keep mine by the bed for 1) my loads are about 1900fps (better than any handgun) 2) I am not going to miss w/16" barrel,I'm not!! Out at the range I can at 50-75yds make a can dance using only the front sight and quick reacquistion.As soon as that can hits the turf it's time to fly again,no recoil!Out beyond 100yds I do not really recall playing that much but like you said close quarters and thats closer than 100yds in my book.
FYI, the M1 Carbine has an 18" barrel.
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And, I'm starting to think that it's mostly politics, particularly the idea that the "assault weapons ban" may get reinstated... reference the last Presidential debate...
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Captain Ogre; ALL,

BHO has done GOOD THINGS FOR sales of guns, ammo & reloading equipment. - I'd guess that the LEFTIST/NIWIT/LIAR/FOOL had to do SOMETHING well, even unintentionally.

NOTE: have all ya'll seen the latest (post debate 2) polls? - ZERO is going NO PLACE but DOWN.
(seems that he offended a whole drove of females with his "demeanor" that night, while "winning the debate".)


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And, I'm starting to think that it's mostly politics, particularly the idea that the "assault weapons ban" may get reinstated... reference the last Presidential debate...
Obama can make all the comments in the world, he doesnít have the support in congress for a new AWB. Donít forget, when he became president over 60 members of congress signed a letter for him clearly stating they have no interest in pursuing any new gun control. I donít think that political climate has changed.
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Pre-election bluster. If he gets reelected you will never hear of it again, accept for maybe some token lip service at public appearances.
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Kevin Gibson,

In the unfortunate even that BHO gets re-elected, what makes you think that he won't issue an executive order to outlaw so-called "assault weapons" by FIAT, as he has in so many other cases.

I firmly believe that he sees himself as JUAN PERON of 1950s Argentina.

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Captain Ogre; ALL,

BHO has done GOOD THINGS FOR sales of guns, ammo & reloading equipment. - I'd guess that the LEFTIST/NIWIT/LIAR/FOOL had to do SOMETHING well, even unintentionally.

NOTE: have all ya'll seen the latest (post debate 2) polls? - ZERO is going NO PLACE but DOWN.
(seems that he offended a whole drove of females with his "demeanor" that night, while "winning the debate".)


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Guys, you really have way too much influence over me.

I was at a small gun shop in the Athens area. I was there to check out a 6" Python he had for sale. It was nickle, and just about flawless. I just couldn't bring myself to part with $2,400 and tax. Not for a used gun. I know, it's a Python, and will probably increase in value. But...Damn!

Ah, but hanging on the wall? A decidedly old M-1 Carbine. Inland receiver, the stock has a half worn cartouche on the right side of the stock that LOOKS like a Springfield Armory mark...two crossed cannons (I think) in a circle. The serial number, in the five million range, dates the receiver as 1944. I hold no fantasies that it is all matching parts. He wanted $600 for it. I figured I could tell my lovely wife that I saved her $1,800 dollars! :O)

Got home after dark last night, but I am going to shoot it this afternoon. Just love the feel of these old guns. And I remember the one I had many years ago. It was great fun to shoot. Heck, I even got Wolf ammo for $12.50 a fifty round box.
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Six pigs is a decent price for any GI carbine these days, even if it needs some work. Can't remember the last time I saw one with a price tag under $800 on it. Hell, they're asking $400-$500 for the stamped Universal junk now! (I wouldn't give you over $100 for one of those.)
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That was a really good buy Irish. Have fun!
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