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Old 07-08-2012, 06:34 PM   #1
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10-22 Subsonic

I tried several different offerings in my newly suppressed 10-22 today. None fed or ejected reliably. The weapon is essentially a single shot with subsonic ammo. No probs with standard speed stuff, but that kind of defeats its "quiet" purpose.

Indeed, one of my friends who's the designated shooter on the local PD sez that my best bet with the rifle is to hold the bolt closed on each shot and chamber each round manually. And he told me to go buy a bolt gun...

That's unacceptable and I'd really like to feed that young whippersnapper some crow. Any input appreciated.

BTW, the HS pistola feeds the subs without a hitch... just waiting on that threaded barrel.
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:28 PM   #2
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What kind of gun Walt??? Is it clean, well bubricated... etc?

FWIW: I have a couple of both rifles and pistols and ALL work fine with CCI Standard velocity.

While it is surely true that a bolt gun will be quieter, and yes, you could hold it shut I agree that neither is a fun idea. Besides, if you're behind the gun you won't be able to tell much difference- off to the side you might- but where are you gonna get the third hand to hold the bolt while your two are holding the gun and pulling the trigger?
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Have you tried one of the "Target" .22 s? They are usually (check the ballistics) sub-sonic. I don't know if the old heavy bullet loads are available they were popular during the .22 Silhouette rage a few decades ago. They might have the power required.

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Who notes some strange things have been loaded in .22 LR over the years.
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What kind of gun Walt??? Is it clean, well bubricated... etc?
It's the 10-22 I just fitted with an Archangel stock. It feeds standard velocity stuff just fine, but I'm trying to lose the crack that occurs when the round breaks the sound barrier.

I'm going to accumulate suggestions and do some testing next weekend when it ain't a hundred degrees outside.
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The Remington Target loads are very close to the speed of sound, factory claim is 1150 fps. My 10-22T works fine with the Remington sub-sonic hps, factory claim is 1050. You might want to check on some Eley ammo. They've got varieties that aren't really that bad in price and may run slower. The suppressor will slow down the exit of the air column in the barrel ahead of the bullet, but that shouldn't be enough to affect function.

Ah, you didn't by any chance install a trigger kit with a extra power hammer spring did you? How old is the recoil spring? Burrs on the spring/bolt guide? Charlie's point about recently cleaned & lubed applies also.

Question: does it work if it's not in the wiz-bang stock?

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Ah, you didn't by any chance install a trigger kit with a extra power hammer spring did you? How old is the recoil spring? Burrs on the spring/bolt guide? Charlie's point about recently cleaned & lubed applies also.

Question: does it work if it's not in the wiz-bang stock?
I bought the gun used, but it did indeed have some trigger work done. I'll check with the original owner. I didn't try the subsonic ammo with the gun until after the stock was installed. But that will go on the diagnostics list.

I'll give the gun a good cleaning and lube tonight when I clean the suppressor and then begin anew.

Good ideas, gentlemen, thanks.
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It's the 10-22 I just fitted with an Archangel stock. It feeds standard velocity stuff just fine, but I'm trying to lose the crack that occurs when the round breaks the sound barrier.

I'm going to accumulate suggestions and do some testing next weekend when it ain't a hundred degrees outside.
Sorry you're having trouble, Walt. I know it sucks when a plan DOESN'T come together.

Any ideas I had were covered by the by the guys already.

+1 on next weekend. I tried shooting this weekend and only made it through 50 rounds before I had to retire to the pool.

Keep us posted.
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Two Thoughts

  1. A friend recently recommended, for accuracy, the Wolf Match Target load, with a nominal MV of 1,050 fps. When I mentioned this to a second friend, he commented that that load is now made in Germany. I'm currently awaiting delivery of a case from Graf & Sons, who had the best price I could find online.
  2. Aguila has offered a 60 gr. subsonic load, which may maintain pressure in the barrel long enough to cycle relaibly. Made In Mexico, Aguila claims to use the Eley priming system on their rimfire products.

AWC offers two .22 Ruger rifle conversions with MP5SD-style suppressors integral with the barrel. Knowing what I know about suppression, if that stuff ever gets deleted from the NFA-registration requirement, I'd go with the 77-22 version over the 10-22 version. If you really want the least sound, it may not be a bad thing that you currently need to cycle the bolt manually
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Walt I don't know anythiing about your new tacticool stock but is there any chance a screw got too tight? You did say the rifle worked before the change right?

The supressed 77-22 truly is the quietest thing around but it takes all day to shoot a box of ammo.

Even the aguilla high speed is marginal in many autos. I agree about the Wolf match, but it's pricey for simple blasting
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The supressed 77-22 truly is the quietest thing around but it takes all day to shoot a box of ammo.

Even the aguilla high speed is marginal in many autos. I agree about the Wolf match, but it's pricey for simple blasting
Is point (1) a bad thing in light of point (2)?
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Walt I don't know anything about your new tacticool stock but is there any chance a screw got too tight? You did say the rifle worked before the change right?
Worked fine before and after the stock change, but I didn't try it with the subsonic until I got the suppressor. Checking the fasteners is a good idea though. I can get a bit torque happy at times.

I plan to collect a number of different SS rounds, give the gun a good cleaning and do a bit more of a controlled test.

On the up side, the HS pistola functioned just fine with the SS rounds and that spare barrel is in the process of being threaded for the can.

That's the important one...
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Before you go too far try subsonic ammo in the rifle with the supressor off.

HS target pistols such as yours were meant for standard velocity ammo so the news would be if it didn't work
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Cleaned gun and suppressor with some of that stuff in a pressurized can, a bit of oil in the important places and voila, no issues in 100 rds of CCI sub. Did discover a skeevy magazine though which has been discarded.

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Isn't it nice to get good advice...

You will find that you need to clean more often with the can on but I suspect it was also much quieter with the standard velocity...
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For Whatever It's Worth...

...someone I know, who worked in suppressor development a few decades ago, expressed a preference for Kroil for cleaning them.
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Isn't it nice to get good advice...

You will find that you need to clean more often with the can on but I suspect it was also much quieter with the standard velocity...
It is and it is.
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...someone I know, who worked in suppressor development a few decades ago, expressed a preference for Kroil for cleaning them.
I just heard that very same thing and I do indeed have some Kroil.
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I put mine in an ultrasonic bath.
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I put mine in an ultrasonic bath.
...lots of guns and gear but never had the funds for an ultrasonic cleaning bath. I'm sure that it makes your life much easier than mine.
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I put mine in an ultrasonic bath.
Now there's a thought, and those things aren't so pricey anymore.

Of course I was told that any residue from cleaning the can required a disposal protocol second only to plutonium...
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