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Old 10-15-2007, 10:00 AM   #1
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Project "M-Faux-ty"

For decades now I’ve wanted an M40 rifle, or something as close to it as possible. When Remington issued the limited-run M40 commemoratives last year, they relit my flame, but no way in hell I could come up with the asking price of the thing (over $1500).

I figgered I could build up a “clone” or “tribute rifle” for about half the price of the “real” M40, if I could find a cheap donor 700SA and have it rebarreled. Been looking for over a year with no joy when I came across this 1969 700BDLV in .243 in really nice shape at a good price. Barrel contour is exactly the same at the M40, and the .243 chambering actually works better for me because I happen to have several hundred rounds of primed .243 brass and several boxes of Sierra 85 gr HPBT bullets on hand, which I acquired in another deal many years ago. Which means I can shoot this rifle for a long time, if not the rest of my life, for “free.”

I got the proper Redfield mount and rings for it, and am still looking for a suitable scope. But cold weather is fast approaching and I don’t have time to dig out my old .243 stuff and work up a handload this year. I wanted to see if the gun would work and if there was any life left in the barrel (which LOOKS excellent, but you never know), so this weekend I decided to screw on an old Tasco 3x-9x 32mm from my spares box and bought a box of Winchester 80 grain PSPS at Walmart ($16+, ouch!)

Only took me five expensive rounds to get a fairly good 100 yard zero, and then I shot the pictured 3-shot group at 100 yards. .600”—I think this barrel is probably FINE!

Next step will be to select and procure a suitable scope, and then I’ll start trying to find a plain (uncheckered) walnut stock that I can put a GI-type oil finish on.

Here’s my “M-Faux-ty” with scope mounted, shown with its .22LR “trainer”—a Ruger M77/22V that I’m very fond of.

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Old 10-15-2007, 01:09 PM   #2
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Less than minute of angle?

That is real sniper territory.

Pity the ART scope is long gone.

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Who always liked the M-21.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:03 AM   #3
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Redfield "ART" scopes (accu-range) can be found, but they're increasing in price. You'll need a Redfield JR mount, plain walnut stock and parkerizing and you're there.

You can send the stock to several people and have it duplicated in straight grain walnut. Parkerizing should set you back about $150.00 if you want it done right.

I agree on the .243, it's a good long range performer, espeically with VLD's, and it has about half the recoil of the .308.

Should be very nice when you're done.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:27 AM   #4
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I have the Redfield JR mount already on it.

Might go with a Redfield ART but I doubt I could find one in green, which is authentic, but I don't find the green scope particularly attractive so I'm not worried about 100% authenticity. I'm exploring several options, but I want something about the same size and of a "vintage" vibe. Might like to go to 12x if I can get it in 40mm objective.

Don't think I'm gonna Parkerize it. The finish that's on it is too good.

Richards makes a walnut stock that's very, very close to a stock 700, and it's not that expensive. I could do some minor reshaping of that and finish it myself. I'm also attempting to see if I can get a "real" M40 repro stock from Remington or elsewhere. I don't hate the commercial stock that's on it, and could live with it for quite a while if need be, although I'd prefer the stamped fleur-de-lis pattern of the early '70s.

One minor detail no one has mentioned is the sling swivels. The M40 had non-detachable ones, not QDs. Not sure where I'll source those. Something "generic" might work.

Next on the agenda is finding a suitable scope, and then next spring working up a good handload with the components I have on hand, and then I'll worry about the stock. But shooting-wise, the thing is G2G right now--this minute. Total cash outlay @ $540 (vs. 1500 for the repro rifle alone).
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Old 10-20-2007, 06:08 PM   #5
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Snake45:

Where did you get those slings!! I love those things and cannot find them! I saw a couple at a gun show but some guy grabbed them before I got to them!1

If there is a place on the WWW let me know!!

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Old 10-20-2007, 06:16 PM   #6
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Where did you get those slings!! I love those things and cannot find them! I saw a couple at a gun show but some guy grabbed them before I got to them!1

If there is a place on the WWW let me know!!

Terry
Obviously, I like them too.

New ones are going dear now, but there's a guy at a gun show I go to sells used ones for about $3. These aren't quite as nice as they look in the pic. There's a show in a couple weeks, you want me to see if I can score you a couple of them?
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:40 PM   #7
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Only the very early scopes were green, the later ones were the normal gloss anodize.
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There's a show in a couple weeks, you want me to see if I can score you a couple of them?
Yes, please do! Atleast two if they have them! I have looked all over for decent fabric style slings with the clamp style end and metal clip!!

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Old 10-30-2007, 02:31 PM   #9
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At this time there are a couple of threads in Snipers hide forum concirning the M-40.

There is also a piece on the web somewhere about the stock and how to convert a regular Rem 700 with the correct profile for the BBL.

Lee.

Oh... And our local wall mart has a Redfield on consignement stock. It's a Colorado manufactured one going for $165.
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I *MAY* have one of those slings in the gun safe/closet... I'll try and check, but I am working the local gun show in Nashville this weekend for a friend's table so it may be after Sunday before I can dig it out; if indeed it is still there.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:44 AM   #11
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Terry--just got back from the funshow. The guy I've been buying them from only had one used one this time. It was VERY rusty and he wanted $10 for it. Another vendor had brand new ones (possibly repros) for $15 so I bought one of those for my "M40." The used one on it now can go back on the .22 I borrowed it from.

As for scopes, I'm looking at 4x-12xs with a vintage look. There were several old Redfield 4x-12x 40 AOs at the show, prices ranging from $165 to $245 depending on condition. They don't seem to be that rare and now that I know a price range I can keep an eye open on eBay for one. (This show will also be back in town in February.) I'm not 100% certain that scope will fit on the rifle with the standard low rings, though--I figger the max objective bell (not lens) diameter I can have is 50mm and that's cutting it close. Bell diameter on these 40AOs was right at 50 if not a hair over. I don't think I really need AO as I'm not going to be shooting this at less than 100 yards so I'm still looking for a Redfield 4x-12x 40 without AO, if such a thing exists. I'm in no hurry, now that I know the gun will shoot--I won't be getting into shooting it again until at least next spring.

I saw a vintage Redfield 3x-9x, priced $110 and I'm sure I could have gotten for an even C note or less, but I think I really want to go up to 12x if it'll fit.

BTW, showed that .600 group to the guy who sold me the gun and told him how pleased I was with it. He seemed surprised it shot that well with factory ammo. And then added that when he got home from that show, he had a friend waiting to buy it, so I acted just in time!
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Old 12-24-2007, 10:50 AM   #12
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Well, my evil plan is starting to come together.

Been watching eBay for a suitable stock, with nothing really good turning up, and an eye out for a factory 700 ADL stock as a possibility. One of those turned up last week and I was watching it at @ $50.

Yesterday the kid and I were making the rounds of area funshops looking for his Christmas present when this 700SA ADL stock turned up in one of those good little "old time" places. Asking price $50. Done!

First step will be to inlet the BDL floorplate, then I'll have to open up the barrel channel for the V weight barrel, then I'll see how it shoots. But all of this will have to wait until AFTER I've gotten a good scope on the gun, and worked up a good handload. Then finally I'll strip the finish off this stock and re-do it in oil. With luck, I might even be able to steam out the pressed "checkering."

Okay, it's not a real M40 stock, but at least it doesn't have the silly BDL foreend and pistol grip caps.

Oh, and the eBay stock ended up selling for $100, so I think I did okay.
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Not sure how much your wanting to spend on a sling Snake, but I remember while I was at Camp Pendleton there were a few stores that had quite a few mil-spec nylon slings on hand. Also found one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Vietnam-US ... dZViewItem , and a few on cheaper than dirt. Wish you luck.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:47 AM   #14
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It's already wearing the sling it's gonna have, but thanks for thinking of me!
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

Scored my scope yesterday.

Been looking for a vintage Redfield 3x-9x 40. Watched a few on eBay but they either went over $100, were pretty beat up looking, or weren't duplex reticle. Plus which I hate to buy a used scope off eBay sight unseen.

Yesterday I scored just the one I was looking for at a local gun show for an even C-note. Duplex, fog-free, and in nice shape with only a couple very minor scratches. I'm pretty pleased.

Yes, I know the real M40 scope had the Accu-Range feature (those go DEAR on eBay when they turn up), and were green in color, not black, but this one is at least the same brand, same power, same size, and same appearance. "It'll have to do."
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

OK; Snake. I know this thread is from a LONG time ago, but I resurrected it because ever since you did your M40 build, you've had me kicking the idea around in my head. So now I bought a 1960s Remington 700 ADL in .308, and am gathering the bits and pieces to see if I can build my version of one of these. Thanks for the inspiration, and let's see what I manage to whittle, grind, and JB Weld together into a rifle.

Here's what I'm starting with...
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Old 05-28-2010, 03:49 AM   #17
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

Very cool! Are you going to put on a heavier barrel? If so, check out ER Shaw. When I was researching my project a few years ago, I found they were the most affordable on custom barrel prices. IIRC their price installed, chambered and headspaced was about what other barrel makers wanted for the raw blank alone. I believe they even offer the Remington factory varmint barrel contour for ultimate authenticity.

I'm ashamed to say I haven't done anything with my project since my last post, not even shoot it or install the Redfield scope. Been concentrating on shooting .22s. Oh well, maybe this year.
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

Oh yeah; DEFINITELY going to put on a heavy barrel (preferably in M40 profile and markings, but maybe with 1-10 or maybe even 5R rifling). I'm thinking about going with a Bartlein barrel. I like the variety of options they offer. Or I may just stick with the original specs for it; keep it as accurate as I can (within the limits of what I can come up with) to the original 1st gen M40. I've got the rifle, a BDL bottom metal set and mag, the correct dated cotton USGI sling, and lined up a green Redfield accu-range 3x-9x 1" tube marked scope today for it. It already is coming with the aluminum buttplate and ADL stock, so that part should be right. I *think* I may have a way to replicate the "U.S." and the "RTE-P" markings for the barrel and receiver, getting the clip slot milled into it and of course I'll have to get it parked correctly and the bolt nitrited black. I also need to find a set of the bottom-mount 4-screw Redfield JR low rings and base, and to figure out what the correct non-detachable sling mounts are that I will need. And then there's still trying to get all that ridiculous pressed checkering out of the sides of the stock, trying to smooth it out and reshape the nose of the stock to get it right, and cutting the channel for the new barrel...

In other words; it IS going to be one of those projects that will probably take a while to get done. I'm also trying to decide if I should go ahead and get the receiver and bolt trued up and matched to the barrel, to get the best accuracy out of it. I mean, it's not like I'm going to be shooting F Class matches with it or anything, right? I want it to be as near as I can to what would have been used in the VN era, in how it looks, feels, sights and shoots- even if that means giving up some performance to modern optics and specialized rifles.
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

Wow, it sounds like you're going for a far more accurate project in detail than mine. I'm impressed!

Speaking of impressed, let me know if/how you get the pressed checkering out of the ADL stock. For that matter, let me know what you find to strip that Remington epoxy finish off the stock.
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Re: Project "M-Faux-ty"

Leupold made some green anodized 3x9 scopes for the Remington repro of the M40. They don't have the accu trac feature but they are marked USMC M40. SWFA did have them.
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