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Old 10-21-2004, 07:28 PM   #1
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7.62 mm x 51 Ammo question

Picked up a battle pack of 7.62 x51 ammo. sealed green rubber case of 200 rds. with the finger holes in the end, the sticker on the side is printed:

AB-22,
200 PATRONEN
7.62 MM X 51, DM 41 (circle with cross hairs-nato stamp)
(A black dot) WEICHKERN
LOS MS 67-6,


OK, where/when was this ammo made, it looks like the same type of battle pack, the Port. ammo I have came in. However, this is not stamped the same. and the pack appears older. how does it compare to the aussie and port.


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Old 10-21-2004, 07:38 PM   #2
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prolly made in germany, maybe made in belgium for the germans.

it will be very good ammo.

it is worth more than port or aussie.

if it has the thin steel jacket then is is sought after by many as the bigger version of M193 - very effective terminal ballistics.

I pay $60 for 300 rds for the w. german stuff. a bit stiff, but it's for shooting, not plinking and blasting.
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Old 10-22-2004, 02:20 AM   #3
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Re: 7.62 mm x 51 Ammo question

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AB-22,
200 PATRONEN
7.62 MM X 51, DM 41 (circle with cross hairs-nato stamp)
(A black dot) WEICHKERN
LOS MS 67-6,
When there is "DM'number'" on a packege, it was intended for German use. DM stands for "Deutsche Model".
The ammo is manufactured by Manusaar in the place Budingen in Germany. Proberly this was one of the compagnies that made 7,62 ammo in the 60's to build up a massive stock (remind, the cold war/ 3th WW was fighten in Germany if it would happen). I never saw this ammo, but if it's made for German standards, it's good. BTW, the black dot means that it's "Ball" ammo.
I hope this answers your question.

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Old 10-22-2004, 08:23 AM   #4
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Where'd you get this stuff? I'd like to pick some up too.
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Old 10-22-2004, 05:03 PM   #5
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Thanks for the Info.

Sounds like I finally got a good deal.

Sorry RGL01 but I got both packs.
It was at a local gun shop, only had 2 of the battle packs. and I got'em. wish He had more of it. I'll find out Monday, where he picked it up and if he can get more I'll send you an Pmail.


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Old 10-24-2004, 03:30 AM   #6
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I'm very curious how this ammo shot's. Let us know your shotresult!!!

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Old 10-24-2004, 05:06 AM   #7
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prolly made in germany, maybe made in belgium for the germans.

it will be very good ammo.

it is worth more than port or aussie.

if it has the thin steel jacket then is is sought after by many as the bigger version of M193 - very effective terminal ballistics.

I pay $60 for 300 rds for the w. german stuff. a bit stiff, but it's for shooting, not plinking and blasting.
Did you mean $60 for 200 rounds, 'cause $60 for 300 rounds ain't bad at all...
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Old 10-24-2004, 12:23 PM   #8
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$59 and some change for 300 loose packed rounds in a 30 cal ammo can, plus tax.
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:10 PM   #9
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shot results

Shoots well. Ran approx 20 rds thru the poly, shoots on par with the aussie and port. I cannot be more specific, as I shot all from offhand at a 4" swinger at 100 yds. I did hit a little high on two rds (my fault) and cut the Rebar rod holding the disk. the 2nd high rd dropped the steel disk to the grnd. So I had to do a little welding job in the middle of my play time.

I will sandbag my 14 or shoot some in my bolt gun, on paper, to see what kind of groups they are capable of. I'll post my results.

Just have to wait untill the wife takes the kids into town so I can shoot prone off the porch.
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Old 10-26-2004, 10:23 PM   #10
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I have some of the same ,just a different lot....128/60...it is definately West German M80 ball...accurate and reliable....i'd rate it
better than Port or Aussie


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Quote:
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prolly made in germany, maybe made in belgium for the germans.

it will be very good ammo.

it is worth more than port or aussie.

if it has the thin steel jacket then is is sought after by many as the bigger version of M193 - very effective terminal ballistics.

I pay $60 for 300 rds for the w. german stuff. a bit stiff, but it's for shooting, not plinking and blasting.
It is indeed German ammunition, Manusaar was a Franco-German ammunition firm that made ammunition for NATO in the mid to late 1960's (The word is a combination of the French arms/ammunition firm Manurhin (not sure of the spelling) and Saar, the region of Western Germany in the Saar River Valley.) The firm broke up in the late '60's and the Germans retained their ammunition making process and tools.

Can't confirm that the ammunition was made in Budingen, I lived there for a number of years in the late '80's and early '90's and there was not an ammunition plant in that area then.... can't say for the late '60's or into the '70's.

The ammunition is ball ammunition, Weichkern translates to "soft core". I.e., steel jacket but no steel penetrator in the lead core. It should be good quality ammunition.

Hope this helps. Just as an interesting aside, the M1A that suffered a catastrophic failure, read about widely on the net (determination was that it was an improperly forged barrel, NOT the ammunition nor workmanship of the SA, Inc company), was shooting Manusaar 7.62 ammunition.
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Old 10-27-2004, 05:59 AM   #12
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ammoman is kinda saying he will have LC .308 surplus in a few weeks. He stated only 500,000 will be released.
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