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Old 05-07-2010, 08:38 AM   #1
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M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

Hi Gentlemen,
So... we have Polytech,Norinco,LRB,7.62 Arms,and Smith Enterprises,standing in the wings with not a forged but barstock receiver soon to hit the market. I hear LRB and 7.62 Arms are going to also make a investment cast like SA. I mean are we happy yet??? How are the forged recievers from 7.62 arms coming out? It seems to me I would find more discussion on this subject but hardly hear anything! Isn't this what we wanted??? I'm happy with my 2 Polytechs but have an old parts kit waiting for another receiver. If you were going to build today how would you go??? Thanks!
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:00 PM   #2
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The 7.62 Arms receivers have been slow to hit market but they are coming. Interesting, I did not know that LRB is planning on a cast receiver. My next one will be a build on a LRB receiver ( If I can't find a nice Devine) and i will be looking into their cast model if the price is right. LRB is great stuff, but long waits and high price discourage some. Personally, if you got the bucks, they are worth the money and wait.

I always recommend LRB for builds and 5 digit or less used SAI for complete rifle purchase.

How are your Polys treating you?
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:14 PM   #3
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

Hi Mr J,
Thanks for the info,as far as LRB making cast receivers,this is something I heard on another forum. Did Lou at LRB tell me this? No! I don't want to spread rumors so take it for what it is worth. I owned a SA with mostly USGI parts and never had a problem with it but never really liked it as much as my Polys, so sold it. Both of my Polys have bolt conversions and are the side stamped
IDE Mich. type.
The last one I obtained from a fellow gun club member that used to live down the road from Fulton Armory and had a TRW bolt conversion done there with of course a barrel change as that is how they do it there. That rifle had all USGI parts except the rear sights and trigger housing. The hammer and trigger sear had been changed to USGI also. Both are in USGI glass stocks. I wanted to buy a Sage stock for the Fulton Armory build but can't seem to justify the money now. My next thing I want to do is take them both to the range and shoot both in the same stock to see if there is any real world difference. One has a USGI H&R barrel and one has the Chi-Com, both chrome lined so should be interesting! Oh by the way I will not own another cast receiver rifle. I wish I could find another plain jane Poly at a decent price but that might be hard now!
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:11 AM   #4
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

LRB Arms was looking at it but has decided against producing a cast receiver. They will stick with forged M14 receivers. That's what Lou told me.

Here's the availability of commercial M14 receivers:

7.62mm Firearms / James River Armory - forged now in production, cast in about three months
A. R. Sales - cast, production ceased in 1976
Armscorp of America, Armscorp USA, JRM - cast, production ceased in 2008
Entreprise Arms - billet machined, production ceased in 1996
Federal Ordnance - cast, production ceased in 1992
Fulton Armory - cast, in production
Hesse - cast, production ceased in 2002
LRB Arms - forged, in production
H & R Gun Co. / Maunz Mfg / Maunz Match Rifle / Smith Ltd - cast, production ceased in the late 1980s
MWG - cast, these were not heat treated, run away!!!
National Ordnance - cast, a handful were made about 1973
Sarco - cast, production ceased in 2002
Smith Enterprise - cast and billet machined until 1994, cast from 1996 to 1999, billet machined for 2010
Springfield Armory, Inc. - cast, in production
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Sounds like you have a couple of real nice Poly's there. Congrats!!

Diff, I'm sort of dissapointed that LRB has decided against manufacturing a cast receiver. Present technology is such I am sure it would have been an excellent product up to their usual high standards, giving some of us a lower price point for an LRB product. Oh well.
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:59 AM   #6
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If you were going to build today how would you go??? Thanks!
I would pull from my stash of Poly Tech rifles and build on it.


As for a new receiver, I will wait patiently for one marked SEI.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:02 AM   #7
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Hi,
Thanks Different for the info on the receivers! I've never seen it all in one spot before and will save you're post! Like H2O Man if it was up to me I would build on another Poly Tech and figure I had the best civilian M-14 receiver money could buy? What would be interesting to me,if I had the money,which I don't, is to have an LRB,a Poly and a 7.62 Firearms receiver all forged type and the US Goverment Drawings with the correct tools to measure with and see how they stack up!

I am still waiting to hear from anyone with an opinion on the 7.62 Firearms, forged receiver!
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IMO, the best value for the money, today, is the Fulton Armory receiver. The left side of the receiver and the left bolt lug recess could be cleaned up a little better but the price is a steal. 7.62mm Firearms / James River Armory receiver quality will get fine tuned as they gain experience. There is a report of shallow elevation serrations on one of their receivers. Overall, they are off to a good start. The LRB Arms receiver is cosmetically the best looking for receivers in production, today. But LRB Arms receivers command a premium. If I was going to buy a stripped receiver, today, it would be a Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A receiver. Why? Best compromise between fit, finish and price. Smith Enterprise, Inc. receivers are still being fine tuned and won't be released until they are perfect.
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Old 05-08-2010, 01:11 PM   #9
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Hi Different,
Interesting! I guess we are comparing apples and oranges. After being spoiled with forged receivers on not only my M-14 but also my kit made FALs with the fantastic Imbel receiver I just don't care for cast anymore. Granted there is nothing wrong with cast or a SA receiver it's just the way I'm wired. As I said I had a nice standard SA rifle that you actually helped me identify the different makers on the major components,thanks again! A very good education that has served me numerous times since! However I just did not care for the looks or the "feel" while shooting it so sold it!

I still believe if a person insisted on a forged receiver he would be ahead of the game if he bought a plain jane PolyTech even at the present price of about $900! Although there is nothing wrong with the major parts (once again most of them forged rather than cast,ie oprod?) you could still sale what you did not want and really make out on the receiver which is why you bought the Poly in the first place.

I tried to upload some pics of the Fulton Armory built Poly with 5 OM mags that I bought last year for $700. Yea,I almost hate myself, but that is what the guy wanted! This rifle will hopefully end up in a Sage stock soon! Thanks again for all the info!
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:08 AM   #10
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

I spoke with Ron Smith today and he informed me that their new receiver is 95% there.
It will take just a little tweaking to get to 100% and only then will he begin selling them.


I continue to wait patiently
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:23 AM   #11
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

Hi H2O Man,
Thanks for the good news,but where does a "barstock" receiver fit in between cast and forged? I'm well aware of Mr. Smiths commitment to making the best parts possible. However with the new players now on the block making these M-14 receivers,I can't help but wonder what his price point is going to have to be???
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:28 PM   #12
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

I am not a Metallurgists, but I will give it a go.
Any forging on guns is HOT forging.
Drop forging is forging into a mold or form usually taking place in one blow.
Drop and hammer forging are both done with a hammer and the effects are the same.

Whether machined from bar stock, forged or investment cast there are many variables, part design, steel type, heat treatment etc.
If everything is done right there will be no real difference.

It is my understanding that SEI is taking the time and making the effort to ensure the receiver is designed correctly, that the
correct type of steel is used and that the machining & heat treatment are perfect before selling the first new bar stock receiver.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:14 AM   #13
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

here in canada there's a "rumor" that we're going to be getting some italian FULL rifles soon- that's besides the new norcs and polys- made by pietta probably- that's the ones we're all waiting with baited breath on
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Old 06-05-2010, 06:06 PM   #14
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Hi,
Well... If that's the same Italian company that makes the black powder pistols I wouldn't worry to much and would keep buying the Norcs for about $350 usd!!! It seems in this country (USA) that everything we buy is from China,but our Reps in Congress in their finite wisdom have seen fit to keep these fantastic rifles from us!!!
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:59 PM   #15
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Well... If that's the same Italian company that makes the black powder pistols I wouldn't worry to much and would keep buying the Norcs for about $350 usd!!! It seems in this country (USA) that everything we buy is from China,but our Reps in Congress in their finite wisdom have seen fit to keep these fantastic rifles from us!!!
This import ban was put in place during the Clinton years in response to an attempt to smuggle 2,000 fully automatic AK-47 rifles into our country. High up gov't officials in the Chinese Gov't were involved in this, and the rifles were produced in gov't owned factories. They were intercepted on a cargo ship in California. The Chinese were hoping to sell them to gang members and drug cartels.
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Well... If that's the same Italian company that makes the black powder pistols I wouldn't worry to much and would keep buying the Norcs for about $350 usd!!! It seems in this country (USA) that everything we buy is from China,but our Reps in Congress in their finite wisdom have seen fit to keep these fantastic rifles from us!!!
This import ban was put in place during the Clinton years in response to an attempt to smuggle 2,000 fully automatic AK-47 rifles into our country. High up gov't officials in the Chinese Gov't were involved in this, and the rifles were produced in gov't owned factories. They were intercepted on a cargo ship in California. The Chinese were hoping to sell them to gang members and drug cartels.
when THAT failed, they set up their own network
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Old 09-25-2010, 12:03 PM   #17
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Re: M-14 receivers-Heaven yet???

SEI has two of their new Barstock receivers on hand ... one was used to build this M14 EBR-RINM-SEI rifle.

You have until 09/28/2010 to get your name on the waiting via "SEI M14 Barstock Receiver" on The M14HDW Forum.
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Old 09-26-2010, 02:43 PM   #18
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Old Sarge,T-Man, Thanks for the info. All that was accomplished was once again,a law was passed that did nothing but penalize law abiding tax payers in this country. Insanity is defined as a lack of reason and it would be so nice if we could get some people to represent us in Washington that could pour piss out of a boot with the directions stamped on the heel! Sorry!

H2O Man, I know it is bad form to ask, but any clue as to the $$$ involved for the new receivers???
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:15 AM   #19
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H2O Man, I know it is bad form to ask, but any clue as to the $$$ involved for the new receivers???
The price quoted is $950-ish each... Distributors will quote the firm sale price.

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Old 09-28-2010, 06:07 PM   #20
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The price quoted is $950-ish each... Distributors will quote the firm sale price...
The heel looks like the letters/numbers have been electro-penciled. Is this going to be the way the production receivers will be?

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