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Old 12-13-2006, 11:13 PM   #1
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NM M1A barrel identification need help

Hello
anybody know how is the maker of NM Heavy barrel 6-groove, 1/10 twist with a welded rode guide?
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Old 12-14-2006, 04:26 AM   #2
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Looks just like my Kreiger, except for the fact mine is stainless.

Maybe get in a bit closer though in the pic, and with a touch better lighting. Mine isn't 'welded', and it appears to me yours isn't either.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:15 AM   #3
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HI,
the Op rode guide is a block of steel welded to the barrel
it's not a ring around the barrel like on my old one.

i brought this barrel from the range for $75 use
and the guy told me he was mounted on a springfield......
but I'm not sure about that

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Old 12-14-2006, 09:50 AM   #4
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Yeah, that's what I was saying..... the op rod guide looks just like mine. Actually, I've got one on a take-off at home too (so I don't have to pull my action from the stock). I'll see if I can't get in close and personal with the digital camera, you can see if you think it matches.

If you don't hear from me soon, bug me about it. Tonight and tomorrow night are looking like all my dance tickets are punched, and I don't want to forget.....

Anyway, what I was saying is that I highly doubt that the oprod guide is welded to the barrel. I know it's not banded..... looks like some I've got.

For $75, you probably got a take-off. Someone probably bought it, had a great rifle put together on it, and then fired it until it started loosening up. Then it was taken off and replaced.

I don't sell my take-offs, I keep 'em. One day I'll have enough to drill crosswise through the chamber ends of 'em all, and make a Riflemans Windchime. The way I look at it, if a spent casing is a badge of accomplishment to a rifleman, this windchime should be something to comment upon! HA! To do the job right, I still need a few more.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:54 AM   #5
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NM Barrel

Your barrel is typical of early production Springfield Armory, Inc. Super Match rifles. It is thought that these barrels may have been made by Numrich, but may be from Douglas. It is common for the guide to break loose on these and eventually the guides were changed to the currant configuration.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:59 AM   #6
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Interesting!

The one I've got on there now that looks like this is a Kreiger that Gene Barnett did.

I'm almost positive that the one I have at home (the take-off) is a Douglas, but I don't know who contoured it.

In either case, the guides have been good for me...... my stick is due to arrive via Ooops! today, my 'smith said I have another year left in this barrel, so this guide has lasted almost a barrel life.

The one on the take-off lasted longer than that barrel life

Could the problems with them coming off have been due to something at Sproingfeld?
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:23 AM   #7
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the barrel is never bein shoot the guy did install a custom barrel on is super match and has this one for spare but never use it
he may be an old one like my M1A Sup match 1987/88
but on my M1A the barrel was changed already one time I belive and was worn to the bone 2 or 3 inch group @ 100 Yards
and now with this barrel I have 3/4 to 1/2 inch group @ 100 yards with match rounds (sierra molly coated 168 gr and 41.5 gr of IMR4895)
Iwill post a pic of the rifle around 7 pm pst

let me know if you have more info

P.S sorry for my English, my French is way better :wink:
I live here in California near to San Francisco

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Old 12-14-2006, 06:34 PM   #8
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the pics

here some bad pics of my springfield M1A super match

with original wood handguard

serial #: 0431xx

setup like the springfield M21
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:42 PM   #9
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thanks to all

thanks to all for your comments and information

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Old 12-16-2006, 03:16 AM   #10
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Alain and Ted et al: my 1986 barrel (unknown maker)is not welded, but has the guide in a dovetail. I have never seen this before - anybody else?

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Old 12-16-2006, 03:29 AM   #11
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When I bought M1A serial number 000049 it had a heavyweight barrel with the operating rod guide welded to the barrel.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:30 AM   #12
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are they from S.A?
If its the casse they are the first barrel Generation and may be G.I match
at what I understand from S.A
but this need confirmation.
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ALAINUSA, your rifle is likely too young to have a Numrich Arms barrel. Your rifle, 0431XX was made in 1987. Numrich sold the heavy match barrels to SA, Inc. in 1975. These barrels were advertised for sale in the February 01, 1975 issue of Shotgun News. The Numrich barrels were only 300 in number. I'm thinking you have a gunsmith installation of a Douglas barrel.

As an aside, from 1978 until about 1990, Hillside Manufacturing (Dallas, PA) machined Wilson Arms heavyweight M1A barrels for Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles.

I've spoken with the gentleman who did the barrel machining at Hillside Manufacturing during that period. It was awesome to listen to him describe how he made the machining cuts and how tight he held the tolerances. Though it had been many years hence, his recollection was as if he had machined a barrel earlier in the day. Springfield Armory, Inc. was very happy with his work. This is all discussed in the free online version of M14 Rifle History and Development at http://www.imageseek.com/m1a
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:12 AM   #14
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Wooow
god info job different.
do you spend night and day reading about M1A

remember Its not my original barrel it's a replacement with a unknow barrel with a weldded op rode guide.

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Wooow
god info job different.
do you spend night and day reading about M1A

remember Its not my original barrel it's a replacement with a unknow barrel with a weldded op rode guide.

Alain
Alain,

Roger that on the replacement barrel. You're half-right. I spend night and day reading and writing (typing) about the M14/M1A. There's some fun coming down the pike, M14 fans. Standby.
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:27 AM   #16
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Different, you'r my hero!....lol
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