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Old 05-16-2015, 06:22 AM   #21
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I don't think every paratrooper was issued a pistol, though. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of that gear wasn't swapped out for more ammo or rations
but the radio almost dictates the presence of the 45- or he "acquired" it- you can tell he's well used to it as the flap( if there is one)is folded back- I don't know when 45s were issued to "specialized" troops( ie machine gunners, radio operators , and of course, officers) but it was quite a while back- if anything, you were lucky to get your hands on a long gun-
you have to remember we don't know when this toe was taken- whether at the beginning of his insertion or after a few months /years of service- we also don't see a ruc- some of the "missing " gear may have been in there- what we're seeing is "first line " equipment-stuff you need immediately and stuff you would have with u if u had to bug out

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You know, now that the term "rigger-made" has been brought into the conversation, it makes sense that an airborne unit, whose riggers have access to industrial grade sewing machines, fabrics, high-strength threads and tapes, grommets, fasteners, etc., would come up with some inventive doodads.
I once had a Navy issue shoulder holster for the S&W Victory model that had canvas bullet loops sewn on one of the shoulder straps, and all the collectors I talked to said the loops were rigger made. So evidently the term was not used just for airborne units.
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I once had a Navy issue shoulder holster for the S&W Victory model that had canvas bullet loops sewn on one of the shoulder straps, and all the collectors I talked to said the loops were rigger made. So evidently the term was not used just for airborne units.
Riggers have always had a nice side business modifying gear for personal needs and tastes.
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if the era was later, you could also include the "locals" or indigs for some of that manufacture- case in point- i'm left handed and the usgi m7 holster is completely useless to me- well, the local tailor made me up a holster out of an usgi nylon combat boot with a spare mag pouch on the side- flapless , and used a button and strap to hold the 45 in-it cost me next 2 nothing but was a fortune in his eyes- his first attempt he took an m7 to pieces and reverse stitched it so the inside became the outside- then hung the hanger on that side- well u know the climate- that lasted about 3 months-

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IF that is a "blanket-spread" from the WWII Pacific Theater, the various pieces of "soft goods" may also be Depot Made in the CBI. - Fyi, my old friend, 2LT Joe Berry, late of Merrill's Marauders told me that, "We had LOTS of 'specialty items' made for our various missions in the depots in British India & maybe in other places. If we could think of anything that we thought that might help us, it was provided until we 'jumped off' into the bush."

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Strange kit...

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Speaking of the spoon and butter knife, where's his P38?
Likely where mine would have been....hangin on my dog tag chain.
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Likely where mine would have been....hangin on my dog tag chain.
You just have to remember to hang it poky side out...a lesson quickly learned. I still have my P-38 on my key ring.
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You just have to remember to hang it poky side out...a lesson quickly learned. I still have my P-38 on my key ring.
So do I. You'll never go hungry if you have a P38.
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Old 05-19-2015, 02:19 PM   #29
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Ah, the old reliable P38.

We in the Air Force were qualified in their use during basic training (I made "expert" with canned peaches), but once we were wearing wings we were introduced to an alternative dining resource. It was call "Officers Club".

Oh, nice Gyro. Prepare for incoming...
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well, that is an option when you're home every nite- or back at base- try that when you're on point for a week or so and Charlie doesn't know you're there-I tended to use my camilus or bayonet point but a lot of the rats weren't tinned
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t-star; CaptainGyro,

YEP, "the good Captain" is NOT down here in the mud/blood/muck with us "dogface GIs".

It has been my long experience that aviators tend "to give themselves airs", as their toucas is generally higher off the ground than ours is, that they eat hot chow & nearly always sleep in DRY beds.
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giving themselves "airs" would tend to explain them warm sheets- we had hot chow too, cpmpliments of c-4

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t-star; CaptainGyro,

YEP, "the good Captain" is NOT down here in the mud/blood/muck with us "dogface GIs".

It has been my long experience that aviators tend "to give themselves airs", as their toucas is generally higher off the ground than ours is, that they eat hot chow & nearly always sleep in DRY beds.
(CHUCKLE)

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Well, the unofficial motto of the USAF is: "We fight sitting down."
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YEP, "the good Captain" is NOT down here in the mud/blood/muck with us "dogface GIs".
Never been in combat outside of a bar, but I'll bet you were really glad to see those zoomies show up...
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WaltGraham,

.The "fire support" for us old Mike Papas was usually CAS from the USAF/ANG flying WARTHOGS or SPECTRE gunships, as the field artillery seemed to be always "fully committed to higher value targets" than most anything that we encountered.
(When I had a 19-77H combat support company, our "heavy armament" was the 7.62x51mm MG & a crate of H555.)

Note: We MPs call "CLOSE AIR SUPPORT" & "DANGER CLOSE" to be within 10M of our BDUs. - I can NEVER remember taking a single casualty from USAF "friendly fire" at any OCONUS locale, so those folks are "REAL GOOD" at their job.

Those lads NEVER could buy a drink, IF we "Rear Battle folks" were present.
(They got us out of too many "ugly messes" to NOT appreciate them.)

Nonetheless, the aviators, regardless of armed service, got "more than their fair share of ribbing" for being "slightly effete prima donnas".
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Nonetheless, the aviators, regardless of armed service, got "more than their fair share of ribbing" for being "slightly effete prima donnas".
(CHUCKLE)yours, sw
"Slightly effete"? I'll have you know that basic cable and no NCO club amounted to hardship conditions for us wingnuts! We were FULLY effete...but in a very masculine way, of course.
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I met some Air Force guys when I was in Tokyo on R&R from Korea. There biggest complaint was that they couldn't get seconds on desert in the chow hall.
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Military comparisons of the word "sucks"

An Army grunt stands in the rain with a 15 kg. pack on his back,
5 kg. weapon in hand, after having marched 15 km, and says, "This sucks."

An Army Airborne Ranger stands waist deep in the rain with a 25 kg. pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after having jumped from an airplane and marched 30 km,
and says with a smile, "This sucks just fine!"

A Special Forces soldier lies in the mud, 40 kg pack on his back,
weapon in hand, after swimming 10 km to shore, crawling through a swamp and
marching 40 km at night past the enemy positions,
says with a grin, while biting the head of a snake "This really sucks, I wish it could suck more....."

An Army Pilot flying over the battlefield, the rain is pouring down,
looks down at the soldiers below and says: "Sure sucks down there!"

An Air Force officer sits in an easy chair in his air conditioned,
carpeted room and says to his friend, "Man.. Cable's out! This sucks!"
Military humor. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines humor
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There's a cartoon of the above somewhere. If anyone has it, please post.
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Of course, our training also taught us how to dine if we were shot down and captured. For example, if you manage to kill a rat during your incarceration, you never eat all of the meat. You set some aside and allow it to rot. Then, you can farm the resulting maggots and have protein for a few more days.

During war, every decent meal a pilot eats may be his last for years.
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