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Old 09-18-2013, 08:59 AM   #21
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For some (maybe many), OTS .30-'06 is about all that's practical; that's why caution and all the questions.
Yeah Pete. I understand. That's why I asked you guys here. I try to go where I know I can trust the sources.
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Congrats on that fine choice in American battle rifles! I think I have a bag of clean brass somewhere if your interested....just let me know
Appreciate that Rat. Like most of my generation, I grew up on WWII movies, TV shows and comics. Always had a fascination for the weapons of that era.
So I now have an Inland M1 (receiver and barrel anyway) carbine that is a shooter to me, an M1 rifle, and a Colt 1991A1 that's almost sorta like a WWII 1911. I wont ever get a Luger unless I win the lottery. Or a Thompson.

Hang on to your brass. I'll have some once fired shortly. I just don't have a reloading setup yet. Thanks for the offer though.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:23 PM   #23
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yeah, I hear ya...Combat was the show that started my fascination with the Thompson and the Garand....I recently bought a M1 Carbine but I'm almost embarrassed to say what I paid. Prolly never afford a Thompson. My Department had two in their wooden boxes in their display case from the 1940's. I just traded for a 1954 M1 from a guy who took it apart and couldn't get it back together and gave up. So my collection is pretty much complete....
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yeah, I hear ya...Combat was the show that started my fascination with the Thompson and the Garand....I recently bought a M1 Carbine but I'm almost embarrassed to say what I paid. Prolly never afford a Thompson. My Department had two in their wooden boxes in their display case from the 1940's. I just traded for a 1954 M1 from a guy who took it apart and couldn't get it back together and gave up. So my collection is pretty much complete....

Hey, that's where I got my interest in the Thompson from as well! Used to love that show as a kid and have it on DVD now and still enjoy it a lot.
Like you I doubt I could ever afford a real working one (the one in my avatar is a dummy Thompson; real parts on a phoney receiver) but I do have an airsoft M1A1 version that does full-auto with those plastic BBs!

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hahahahaha "Come on Sarge, been on point all day"....Haven't seen an episode in years...old Vic Morrow was at his peak on Combat. Sucks the way he died, quick I guess. Loved 12 O'clock high, Rat-Patrol too...
Got to shoot our Thompsons at the grand opening of our new range...very kewl
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+1 on 12 O'Clock High & Rat Patrol. BTW Rat Patrol was based on the real-life exploits of the British SAS but was "Americanized" for American viewing!
You might recall 12 O'Clock High was based on a book. In the movie & TV show it was depicted as the 318th Aerial Bombardment Group .... in real life it was the 109th. They just multiplied the # by three. Parts of the movie were filmed in Alabama, where I live! Interesting bits of trivia there.
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12 O' clock high was a great movie. I read they showed it to Curtiss LeMay and told him beforehand that one thing in it was not authentic but he probably wouldn't notice it. After the movie he asked what it was he didn't see anything. They told him it was the engine sounds of the German fighters which the bomber crews couldn't really hear.
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My local Gander Mtn has plenty of .30-06 commercial and some somewhat better than last month, priced Federal 62 gr. 5.56. None is inexpensive.
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12 O' clock high was a great movie. I read they showed it to Curtiss LeMay and told him beforehand that one thing in it was not authentic but he probably wouldn't notice it. After the movie he asked what it was he didn't see anything. They told him it was the engine sounds of the German fighters which the bomber crews couldn't really hear.
One other thing was, as I read later was that they "flew more low-level missions than a near-sighted crop duster", since oxygen masks cover up the actor's mugs, and we can't have that, can we?
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Speaking of WWII TV shows, anybody remember The Gallant Men or one that came out after The Dirty Dozen called Garrison's Gorillas (yeah, they spelled it that way).

Both only ran for a couple of seasons. Garrison's Gorillas had a character they listed as a "switchblade artist". It did spark my interest in automatic knives, since I was a healthy, inquisitive 12 year old male at the time.
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I recall The Gallant Men. It just recently came out on DVD. It follows American troops in the Italian campaign folowing their landing at Salerno. William Reynolds starred in the series, which lasted one season. Reynolds would later play second fiddle to Efrem Zimbalist Jr. in Quinn Martin's The F.B.I.
One critique I read of the series was that it "soft-pedaled" the violence of the Italian campaign, which was hard fought and bitter. The Italians themselves capitulated early but they were allied with the Nazis and they most assuredly DID NOT capitulate -- they had to be driven out. Having seen the series again after 45 years I feel that critique unfair; the war was depicted as being very severe & harsh. Considering that network censors back then would forbid scenes showing too much blood or downplay certain types of violence the producers of TGM did a pretty decent job.
I "sorta" remember Garrison's Gorillas but really don't recall the details. I suppose one could go to Amazon.com and see if it's been released on video too ....
One thing I sorta developed a great distaste for was Hogan's Heroes. As a kid I was somewhat indifferent to it but after I read about what the Third Reich was really about the idea of a sitcom set in a Nazi prison camp just didn't cut it for me. Shame on them anyway.
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I remember the Gallant Men, and the other comedy show. I preferred "Navy Log" and "The Silent Service" and Walter Cronkite's "The 20th Century."

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Along these lines, I've been watching "Victory at Sea' on Youtube.
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Victory at sea was a great series, I used to watch it every Sunday night.
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Wow, so many childhood memories coming back. When TG mentioned Efrem Zimbalist Jr, I thought back to Sunday evenings in front of the tube (color was new) and watching the F.B.I. I bought my dad the 12 o'clock High collection last year only to find out his DVD player is malfunctioning and he won't replace it (tight). So I thought maybe he'd give me the series....it's September and I'm still waiting.
All these shows had a common theme, content. They contained true or at least partially, truths about our heritage and history as a nation. Sadly, most shows today fail to come close to that water-mark. Sad for our youth to miss out on these great stories of valor.
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Rat, you're absolutely correct. We have been at war for 12 years now, but Hollywood has no idea how to approach this.

Most of the movies that have been made about the military and the Middle East have been anti-military and anti-war.

Zero Dark Thirty, which everyone thought was going to be a pro-Obama love fest, wasn't. It was an engrossing film mostly about the 10 year search, basically headed by one very determined young female intelligence officer, to find OBL. It showed some very stark and I believe realistic depictions of "enhanced interrogation" techniques...the techniques that ultimately led to the information that brought OBL down.

There's even a line in the movie that referenced the White House cutting off their best source of information by stopping those "interrogations".

Nominated for Best Picture and Director, it got nothing. And it was political, because of the subject matter. It certainly deserved the awards.

You have to go to The Military Channel to find any stories about the brave men and women we have fighting over there. You won't find many, if any, stories on the big screen or major networks about them.
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Rat, you're absolutely correct. We have been at war for 12 years now, but Hollywood has no idea how to approach this.

Most of the movies that have been made about the military and the Middle East have been anti-military and anti-war. .......

I thought the CBS series JAG did a respectful enough job when it picked up the A'stan war theme early in it's 2001 season. Even one of its central characters, Bud Roberts, lost his lower right leg to a landmine trying to save a child at the end of the season.
There were a couple of other shows. Over There was about the war, it only lasted one season if that and while respectful enough it just didn't attract enough viewers. THREAT MATRIX was very much the same dealing with the more clandestine aspects of the war, but it too failed to bring in the audience.
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I thought the CBS series JAG did a respectful enough job when it picked up the A'stan war theme early in it's 2001 season. Even one of its central characters, Bud Roberts, lost his lower right leg to a landmine trying to save a child at the end of the season.
There were a couple of other shows. Over There was about the war, it only lasted one season if that and while respectful enough it just didn't attract enough viewers. THREAT MATRIX was very much the same dealing with the more clandestine aspects of the war, but it too failed to bring in the audience.
Tommy, I confess I never watched JAG, but I am a fan of NCIS. They hit the radical Islamist theme pretty hard for a few years, which was refreshing. They have backed off of that though, in favor of the big baddies being Big Business or rogue government entities the last few seasons. I think it coincides with the departure of Don Bellisario, the series creator and producer. I liked Over There and was sorry to see it cancelled so quickly.

Act of Valor was a pretty good film, and made money. So did Zero Dark Thirty. Kathryn Bigelow's earlier film The Hurt Locker about EOD personnel in the sandbox was pretty good, too. She is a talented film maker. I really think her depiction of water boarding and so forth raised some ire in Hollywood with the rank and file saying that it "defended" torture. I think it took an ambiguous stand at best...it was a major part of the story, it had to be told.

During WWII, Hollywood churned out tons of movies about the war...a different time, I guess. Korea wasn't so popular, and forget about Viet Nam. Just about all of the those movies were made AFTER the war, and most were not very favorable in their depictions of the military.

There is a new movie coming out soon called Lone Survivor, again a Navy SEAL movie, based on a true story. The trailers look good. SEAL's are apparently pretty hot items in Hollywood.

Guess my point is that it seems it is very difficult to get a green light for pro-military projects in Hollywood, even though there is a definite market for them. The only explanation I can think of is that the powers that be, from studio directors on down, just don't like them.
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....Guess my point is that it seems it is very difficult to get a green light for pro-military projects in Hollywood, even though there is a definite market for them. The only explanation I can think of is that the powers that be, from studio directors on down, just don't like them.

Yeah ... I think the Vietnam War really sorta gave the U.S. Military a "black eye." It was very hard to recover from that and maybe we're not even fully recovered.
"The Bridges at Toko Ri" was a very good movie about Korea. There were a few others ... not that many. An amusing aside from my personal history; as kids I recall watching this movie on TV. My sister for some reason piped up "that doesn't look like Korea to me," meaning I suppose it wasn't how she imagined Korea to look. My father, who'd served in the Korean War responded, "it sure looks like it to me." My sister was very quiet after that ... for some reason.

Oh well....kids. They say the darndest things.
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TommyGunn,

IF the "mainstream press" had been even minimally HONEST about RVN, we "VietNam era GIs" wouldn't have gotten a "black eye". =====> The press, starting in 1965, LIED LIKE RUGS about the war.
(When the TRUTH didn't "make good press", the press LIED & "created stories" out of thin air.)

For example, CBS "News" accused a college friend of mine (an Infantry 1LT, AmeriCal Division) of "war crimes" that allegedly happened TWO YEARS after Jerry was KIA. When his wife provided certified/dated copies of his death certificate, the "news division" accused him of OTHER "war crimes" that allegedly occurred THREE YEARS after his death.
(By law, nobody can libel or slander the dead.)

IF anyone reading this believes ANYTHING claimed by "the mainstream press", without INDEPENDENT PROOF, they are FOOLS imVho.

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