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Old 12-02-2006, 10:34 AM   #1
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receiver blueprint ?

Hello gentlemen

I am seeking for the blueprint of the M1 Carbine receiver. Does anyone know where I can find one ?

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Old 12-10-2006, 01:38 PM   #2
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There are about (425-450)+ diagram blue prints for the outline and manufacturing of the carbine receiver.. Each is a different manufacturing outline for machines, tolerances, gauges, setup, and tools used to process each step, from a single steel bar of steel, to the final finished product. Here is a "MCCA Copyright" of the MCCA Saginaw S.G. Blueprint on the Saginaw receiver. Note this is Operation #350, only. Submitted on the Amback M1 Carbine Forum for information, only, by MCCA.
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:55 AM   #3
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Here is a "MCCA Copyright" of the MCCA Saginaw S.G. Blueprint on the Saginaw receiver.

Hi Marine1,
What do the initials MCCA stand for?
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:15 AM   #4
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Hi Marine1,
What do the initials MCCA stand for?
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Hello SCPO; MCCA.... (Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Association)
 
Old 12-14-2006, 11:11 AM   #5
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Hello Marine1 !

Thanks for the info. I am amazed of the number of pages...when I think to the 4 pages of the M1 Garand receiver blueprint ! 4 pages but those pages doesn't describe the manufacturing step by step...

I am wondering : does the Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Association still exist ? I believe to have read months ago that the association dissapeared. Any info are welcome thanks !

And hello from a belgian soldier ! (ex-infantry, now aircraft mech)
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:41 AM   #6
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Hello Marine1 !

Thanks for the info. I am amazed of the number of pages...when I think to the 4 pages of the M1 Garand receiver blueprint ! 4 pages but those pages doesn't describe the manufacturing step by step...

I am wondering : does the Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Association still exist ? I believe to have read months ago that the association dissapeared. Any info are welcome thanks !

And hello from a belgian soldier ! (ex-infantry, now aircraft mech)

The reason I do not post or copy all of my WW-2 Saginaw blue-prints and tolerences, is we certainly do not want more bogus parts out there. I have all the major M1 Carbine WW-2 rifle prints to remanufacture these parts, today. They are highly protected.

Yes, there is quite a bit of operation steps with the M1 Carbine receiver. It was a severe problem child, until they finally worked out the problems of cracking receivers, etc. The Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Association closed it's doors a few years ago. I was the Editor and CEO, and published over (125) newsletter, and special addition issues, some (5,000 plus) pages of WW-2 factory and membership reporting information. At one time we have over (300) members in our club. Some of our MCCA Staff Officers were leading, well known M1 Carbine authorities, and authors, from around the country. I still stay in email contact with most of them today. Some are here, and also quite a few of our former MCCA Membership. We also had membership from Asia, and Europe. After (40) years of research in this field, I have retired from collecting. I now share the factory and WW-2 information, I have collected, over (40) years, with those who understand it is quite authentic in nature, and wish to learn from it. There are those who will not, and rely on other sources. We don't know it all, but what we do know, and have documented, we will help anyone here on Amback with. Well enough about this.
 
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Marine 1 has been kind enough to help me with several projects. His information is very valuable and it is nice to see it in the hands of somebody who will protect it.
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Old 12-15-2006, 12:06 PM   #8
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I'm always glad to see that knowledge is not lost and that people are protecting it.

It is sad for the collection, I would have been a happy member. I have been searching the M1 Carbine receiver blueprint for quite a while now and even tried a FOIA (still waiting...) some months ago.
M1 Carbine receivers are pretty (and I should say very) rare here and, having access to a CNC workshop, I wanted to create the receiver with Solidworks before trying to machining some (and heat treating...it is really good to friends in various domains).

Having build about 40% of the M1 Garand receiver, I am already planning the next step : the M1 Carbine.
It is may be the enthusiasm of the young (only 22yrs old, but I already feel life is very short) that push me forward, and make me planning 2 projects in the same time.

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Old 12-17-2006, 06:08 PM   #9
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The actual US Ordnance Corps blueprint drawings of the M1 Carbine receiver are only 2 pages.
While the MCCA Copyright documents for WWII era manufacturing processes related to the M1 Carbine may have great historical value, the value of such documents for any type of current manufacturing would be very little. What took several hundred steps to do during WWII production would take less than 10 steps these days. Being a machinist, I can tell you first hand that modern CNC machining techniques have come along way since the days of having dedicated machines for a specific machining operation. With 4, 5, 6 & even 9 axis capabilities, modern CNC's can start with a blank of steel and finish with a completed part. Machining processess that once took hours, now only take a matter of minutes. Being concerned about bogus or reproduction parts does not seem to be a valid reason to me for not wanting to allow others access to copies of a few documents retained for historical reasons, considering the volume of post war production parts already on the market, which are easily identified when compared to actual WWII US produced parts. Being an avid shooter of the M1 Carbine, I for one would welcome an endless supply of affordable quality parts. When Springfield Inc produced M1 Carbine receivers a few years back on modern equipment, what they did was put out one of the highest quality M1 Carbine receivers ever, even though it has no collectors value. I was more than happy to pick-up some of the new barrels DPMS made a few years ago as well. Just goes to show the real value of some items when realisitically compared to those who collect, those who use, or both.
There is plenty of room for the common interest be it collecting or shooting. I for one support any efforts to keep alive the use of the M1 Carbine as much has been learned from its developement and use. The M1 Carbine is the original Personal Defense Weapon (PDW). Without it there would not be such innovative new weapons such as the FN P90 and other PDW's that are now on the front lines preserving and protecting the few freedoms we have remaining.

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My post above was edited and text removed due to a misinterpretation of me stating that I would make available scans of the blueprints, for those interested to PM or email me. Just want to clarify that I'm not offering the info for sale.....
I'm looking to host the entire contents of the US Ordnance Corps M1 Carbine blueprints so that the info can be easily accessed and downloaded by those interested. Any ideas about the best way to do this????
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Thank you for clarifying that there will be "no charges to the membership" involved, so this will eliminate the possibility of this being here as a solicitation post. As it now stands your post is within Amback's policy, of being non-commercial, and is quite acceptable.
 
Old 12-23-2006, 05:46 AM   #12
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For sure, machining a M1 Carbine receiver on a modern CNC shop would only take some instants...

I don't know if reproductions parts would be a problem. As Ordnance_solutions stated, there is already thousands of reproduction parts.

I'm enjoying the fact I am rebuilding the M1 Rifle on my computer and I am really excited at the idea of machining some "new" parts and building one. It is not for a commercial purpose...just for the mere joy of having one that wasn't build by an arsenal or a gunmakers.

I will scan the M1 Garand blueprint next week and make the prints available for download...for the common knowledge.

Thanks to Ordnance_solutions for your post and your idea of posting the blueprints.
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Marine1, come in Marine1.

Marine1, if you are still out there, please e-mail me. I have a question about the Royal Thai Carbines.
I look forward to hearing from you.
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