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Old 08-02-2005, 12:43 PM   #1
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Howa Japanese Carbine

I think I've read everything I could come across in the forums, and still have a question I couldn't find an answer for. How much should I be willing to pay for a Thai Howa manufactured M1 carbine in decent condition?
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Old 08-02-2005, 02:37 PM   #2
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Welcome aboard, dk8019! I see this is your first posting on Amback. I will say this....there are only (832) Howa's that have survived from the original manufacture of (10,000) guns. All are in the U.S. today. I'll let other opinions, carry on from this point.
 
Old 08-02-2005, 02:45 PM   #3
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Thanks!

Yep first post on this board, you seem to have more info on m1s than anyone else. I had read one of your previous post about the Howas, I have a chance to pick one up for cheap at a gun store here locally, and just want to know whether I should shoot it or just keep it around as a collectors piece.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:39 PM   #4
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They are a rarity, much like the Bavarian Police marked M1 Carbines. I think that I'd be tempted to buy it, clean it towithin an inch of it's life, lube it, oil it and preserve both the metal and wood for another day. There is a market for them, but only advanced collector's are going to pay the big bucks for the little oddity. Does this one have the bulged barrel that I've seen in so many others?
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:11 PM   #5
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Need to look at it again

Not sure about the barrel, is this a bad thing, or the way it was made. Bulged barrels always mean a bad thing on any other rifle I own....
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:25 PM   #6
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Re: Thanks!

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Yep first post on this board, you seem to have more info on m1s than anyone else.
Don't know if I have more information than anyone else or not? I have researched and collected the U.S. M-1 Carbine Rifle for (35) years, and published a monthly newsletter on them for (10) years, about 5,000 pages. There are certainly many others who have also contributed to the cause. In my opinion, Howa's will most certainly, become highly collectible in the coming years. I can remember back in the 1980's dealers were selling "Blue Sky" marked imported carbines for as low as $69.95 each, as nobody wanted them. Today, they are in high demand as shooters and are bringing several hundred dollars. I have a Howa, (in the box, with the paperwork). I have not fired it since I bought it direct from the importer, several years ago. I have it packed away in storage. I would do as JR indicated. Snap up as many Howa's as you can @ todays prices. You certainly cannot lose $$$. As previously said, only (832) survived out of the original (10,000) manufactured, with the Thai Police Crest. If you find one in the box, with paperwork, pay the $$$ for it now. For interested parties, sorry...mine is NOT for sale @ present.
 
Old 08-03-2005, 05:57 AM   #7
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Hmm...

Well, I guess I should pick it up, I suppose you never can have too many rifles that will be worth more than you paid one day.
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Old 08-03-2005, 06:44 AM   #8
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dk, I have seen several over the past 20 years. All of them looked as though the barrel had a small ring, or bulge, in them just back of the gas port. As I've never been in a position to pull one apart to look, I don't know if that was cosmetic, or not. The bulge prevented me from buying them a decade ago when they were selling for under $300.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:08 AM   #9
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This one is still right at $300, is it worth picking up at the price? The rarity makes me think yes, but I have to many other gun types that I currently collect, and have never even owned a carbine.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:44 PM   #10
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Buy it! If you decide not to keep it, one of us will buy it from you! You can't go wrong with that deal.
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:22 AM   #11
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Ok

I'll give them a yell today, it was there on Monday, and it has been there for quite awhile. I'll see if they can hold it for me.
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:26 AM   #12
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Is there a marketplace in this forum? Or do I simply post it here? I'm not entirely sure if I will sell it immediately, but we'll see.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:45 AM   #13
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dk, there is a market place here. Read the rules about sales, and go for it.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:46 AM   #14
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wow

There's alot more to this forum than I thought. I looked through it all, so perhaps I will put it up for sale here. Thanks!
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:13 AM   #15
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They do have it still, and are holding it for me until this evening. Any pointers on what I should or shouldn't do with it once I get it. I'm guessing I can post some pictures of it when I get home, and you can tell me exactly what I have. I have a picture of the crest, and will confirm that's what they have before I buy it. Anything to look for as far as determining whether or not it is original? Also as far as determining the condition, and functionality what should I look for. My only experience with an action even remotely similar is with mini-14s, and that is limited to taking one apart once.
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Old 08-04-2005, 02:33 PM   #16
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Sir, examine it as you would any other used weapon. Make sure that nothing appears bent, or broken. The action should feel fairly smooth, and there should be no signs of severe wear, rounding of square edges, etc. Check that the receiver has no cracks in it, and that the rails the bolt move in are still in good shape. Look into the bolt face. There should be no pitting, the firing pin should move freely, and the extractor should be in place. Examine the weapon carefully, looking for misaligned pieces, unusual discolorations, and cracks or chips in the metal. The wood should be free of severe cracks. The barrel shouldn't appear bulged (more than 1/8" is reason for concern), or ringed.

We can help you if you post pictures (please stay within the guigelines, or post a link).
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Old 08-04-2005, 03:43 PM   #17
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Old 08-04-2005, 03:47 PM   #19
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