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Old 08-04-2005, 03:49 PM   #21
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Bayo lug gone, there is some tiny writing that I believe says NHM something or other, and SAC CA, so it is and Old Sacramento Armory gun for sure
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P on the stock, what does it mean?
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Old 08-04-2005, 03:52 PM   #23
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This was taped to the stock, my wife who knows arabic can't translate it but she said it is Thai, but translating this isn't possible without a good study of the language, even though it is a similar language to Arabic in form and characters, maybe its a name, or a weapon disposition?
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Old 08-04-2005, 03:53 PM   #24
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This mag came with it, they may have pulled it out of a box in the back, who knows, but this is the only stamp on it
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Old 08-04-2005, 03:54 PM   #25
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There is a very light stamp on the stock, looks like a crest again, maybe two guns crossed, its hard to tell. Edit: I looked at the mark a lot more last night trying to compare it with know stock stamps. It looks like the Rock-ola stamp, best I can tell. I'm going to try to mess with the picture some tonight to make the stamping show up a bit better.
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:02 PM   #26
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Well, there they are any thoughts? I can take any other pics you like, just let me know if it helps. The bore is actually perfect, I mean shiney squeaky perfect The action is smooth, but I haven't even attempted to dry fire it etc. and I don't have any ammo for it, and even if I did, I don't think I would shoot it. To me it looks like it was either the barrel was always cleaned after every shot, or that it was a gun that was carried a whole lot and shot very little. The stock and metal actually remind me of an old deerfield my granddad past along to me, he hunt it with it ever season, and always carried it around the rest of the year. (very rural VA) So, what do I have here?
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:29 PM   #27
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I'll let Marine One authenticate this, but all of the Howa Machine Carbines that I've seen were made in Japan, and didn't use USGI receivers. Standard Products was a WWII manufacturer of Carbines. I think that you're looking at an imported USGI carbine that was given to the Royal Thai military. It's actually a USGI piece, and lacks the Howa provenance. However, as an SP, it's certainly worth $300.00
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:25 PM   #28
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The standard product piece appears different than all the rest of the pieces, different grain, and color, etc. Could it be that this piece was a replacement for the original piece? The crest is what throws me, would they restamp the crest?
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:13 PM   #29
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Entire trigger assembly, I just had to take it apart
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:14 PM   #30
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:14 PM   #31
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Mark on barrel stamped HP
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Old 08-05-2005, 02:11 AM   #32
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Sheesh!! Cancel my last. I was dog tired, and stupid. The Standard Products item is the recoil stop. Yes, it certainly could be a replacement item. Yes, it appears that you have a Howa receiver, at the least. Coffee, must have coffee.
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Old 08-05-2005, 03:32 AM   #33
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I know how you feel most days :sleep:
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Old 08-05-2005, 04:13 AM   #34
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Just to let everyone know, I did get a little bit of a story about the carbine while I was at the store. Basically it was a consignment gun, the gun shop had the guy come in and ask how much they would give him for it, which was less than he would take. So they offered to sell it for him and keep some of the money. Not a soul in the store knew a thing about them, not even where they came from, etc, and they only knew it was made in Japan because the owner told them so.
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Old 08-06-2005, 05:12 AM   #35
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Marine1,

Do you have any comments about it, or any ideas on the stock marking? I just want to make sure of what I have. Thanks!
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:26 PM   #36
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Sorry to take so long, I was out of town in Boston, for my sons wedding. Your Howa looks as it should. The Thai Police models had a mixture of USGI parts. The bayonet lugs were removed per liberal import regulations. We certainly cannot have anyone running around bayoneting folks, now can we? All of these models were somewhat re-furbished by Old Sacramento Arms, Sacramento, California, whom imported ALL (832) of these remaining guns. I had the opportunity some years back to interview the importer of these guns, via landline. We did an article on one of the old Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Associations newsletters on these guns. I spoke with Larry Ruth, he also bought one, in the box, about the same time I did. I have a friend here who has serial number 0009, (in the box with paperwork). "Lucky stiff"!! Many of these guns, before importation, were either were lost, sold, or stolen, according to the importer interview. These (832) guns were the last remaining of the original 10,000 that were shipped to the Thai Police. The crest on the receiver ring is the Thai crest. The writing (taped) on the stock, is more that likely the Thai language? You did very well for $300.00. Clean it up, throughly, and...if I may suggest... and put it away.
 
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Thanks!

Thanks for the reply Marine1, and congrats on your sons wedding! The info on the parts make sense, I'm guessing Old Sacramento Arms tried to make them look as presentable as possible, do you suppose that's when the USGI parts were added, or did Howa use some of them in the original manufacture? I'm still working on the translation, but if I were to venture a guess its a name, but I'll let you know when I come up with something more concrete. I will definetely do as you suggest, clean it up, and put it away. Its not a shooter, and as I don't intend to collect the things, I suppose it will one day be sold to someone who will appreciate it fully to finance another purchase.
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Old 08-08-2005, 07:18 AM   #38
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The USGI parts could have been added at any time after the Thai Police got them. We gave the Thai Army a ton of Carbines and spare parts during the Vietnam era. It doesn't affect the value all that much.

Marine 1 is the man to listen to about these weapons. There are a number of people on this forum who have a knowledge of carbines that is truly astounding. I'm just a guy with a general knowledge, a lot of which comes from having been involved with the Asian militaries during the 60's and 70's.
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Old 08-08-2005, 07:29 AM   #39
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Yep, after reading through post just trying to increase my general knowledge of the M1 in general I am amazzed how much information is here!

I did get a translation for that tag on the rifle.

http://www.thai-language.com/ubb_cgi/ul ... 051#000002

It's was the man who carried it before: Staff Sargeant Kam Mee Chin Chet

Anybody know him?
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The USGI parts could have been added at any time after the Thai Police got them. We gave the Thai Army a ton of Carbines and spare parts during the Vietnam era. It doesn't affect the value all that much.
JR hit the nail right on center. I should have also mentioned this, too. We did give the Thai Army thousands of carbines and parts. As JR indicated, many of these guns were probably maintained with these parts and Old Sacramento Arms, when imported back in refurbished them with new and used USGI parts, that were also imported in. I have inspected several Thai Carbines, over the past several years, since importation. I have not found "any" commercial parts that were incorporated, by Old Sacramento Arms, per refurbish, to date? Anyone else have any information on this??

Thai Carbines: (USGI models shipped):
(Source: Archive Files: Michigan U.S. Carbine Collectors Association.)

1964: 48,421 (M-1) - 15,339 (M-2)
1975: 9,130 (M-2)
1979: 270 (M2) (Bangkok Police)

Note: No MCCA Archive Records of Howa Thai Crest Models which were *(10,000) originally.

*Source: Interview: Old Sacramento Arms, Sacramento, California.
(Circa: years - Late 1990's - 2000)
 
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