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Old 11-21-2004, 06:11 PM   #1
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1911: Norinco vs Armscor

Norinco and Armscor are in the same price range. Norinco appears to have the upper hand in accuracy and reliability but info on the armscor version is lacking. Does anybody have experience with, or info on, both pistols?
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Old 11-21-2004, 07:22 PM   #2
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There are a lot of 1911 builders who love to start with a Norinco. Especially when they were very cheap.

Armscorp, Charles Daley, SAM, Rock Island... fall into the "nice place to start category" with me. Although you can get them feature loaded, you probably want to go through them and freshen them up.

Something to note... On many Rock Island and SAMs, there is some minor barrel corrosion right from the factory. Almost like they left some bluing or parkerizing salts in the bore.... when there was no reason to have it there.

I never saw this on a Norinco. But Bush 41 stopped the Norinco imports.

Only things wrong with the Norinco is the writing on the slide:
"Model of The 1911A1." Then, of course "Made in China."

Have fun shooting!

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Old 11-22-2004, 03:01 AM   #3
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I have a Norinco that I had customized by a gunsmith in Pittsburgh PA that Dean Speir nicknamed "Bruno The Butcher" (this was coined in an article that Dean wrote for a gun publication but the article was never printed and I have never seen the article in it's entirety)

The gun is not the "prettiest" thing, but with S&B ammo Dean was getting one hole groups at 25 yards. If I get a chance to get into the vault anytime soon, I will try to take my digital camera with me and get a picture of her.

I have heard mixed reviews of the Armscor, Daly, RI guns, but I figure if you are simply using them as a base gun, they should be fine.
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Old 11-22-2004, 04:25 AM   #4
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I have been hearing very good reviews of the RIA guns lately. And they seem to have excellent customer service. Go to http://www.1911forum.com/forums/ and check out the "Other 1911's" at the bottom. Plenty of discussion on RIA's and Norinco's. Ivan of RIA posts regularly as Blackdragon, I think it is and is very helpful.

The way I read it most people would get a Norinco if they were still imported but since they aren't the RIA is the next best thing. Of course, RIA and Charles Daly all come out of the Armscor facility.

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Old 11-22-2004, 05:52 AM   #5
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My customers love their Rock Islands.... only note id the barrel blemish note I made previously.

Any Phillipino 1911 from Twin Pines should be the same Armscor mfr.

If you decide on one of these, you usually can do both: Feed the kids anf buy a .45ACP

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Old 11-24-2004, 06:02 PM   #6
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From what I read, (1) Rock Islands have accuracy and reliability problems over the long run. (2) Norinco has good accuracy.

Hoever, according to folks here in the Philippines, the Armscor brand is more durable (I don't really know what their basis is).

The prices for the .45 model here is as follwws:
1. Rock Island - P27,000 ($490)
2. Armscor - P26,500 ($475)
3. Norinco - P23,400 ($420) - Sale until Nov 29, 2004 P15,400 ($275)

Except for Norinco, the others have double stack magazines. In other words, they do fall into the same price bracket so price is not an issue here.

My impression from your replies is that there is no clear "winner" so I guess its up to me. I would like to give Norinco a try but people I've talked with recommend against it (except the gun shops who sell them).

I'll be going to a gun show tomorrow with all your comments in mind. Thanks.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:17 PM   #7
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Wow,
Those prices are steep for Stateside guns.

Norinco's cost more here cuz they are banned.

Armscor/Rock Island double stackers were built along the lines of earlie Para Ordnance and are squared off and a bit clunky. Para later refined the contour of their grip frame and grips. If the Twin Pines guns did, I am unaware of it.

Best of luck,

Gerry
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:58 PM   #8
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I had a custom 45 built on a Norinco back when they were cheap. As was stated, it was a popular pistol for just that. Well made.

Mine was a tack driver, to the point that using ball ammo (cast lead loads) I was using spent 12 gauge hulls on the range for 25 yard targets.

Like my other 1911s though, it wasn't as reliable as I wanted it to be........

Pretty good reliability with FMJ or lead ball though. For a plinker or target pistol, I'd go this route. For a self-defense pistol, I think I probably wouldn't.

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