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Old 03-21-2017, 09:35 AM   #21
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Just my .02 on the current S&W's with locks and MIM internals.

My S&W 617 with MIM internals has just over 40,000 rounds through it. Accuracy hasn't much changed when you feed it loads it prefers. For those that think that MIM is somehow inferior, I'm saying BS. Not only is the action smoother on an MIM S&W than any S&W has been since post WW II, but my 40k round 617 has AT LEAST an equal amount of dry snaps...everything is just fine.

As a gunsmith who does action work on S&W revolvers, the MIM guns are just a JOY to work on because they're so easy. The hammer and trigger NEVER need work (I haven't taken a stone to an MIM S&W hammer or trigger yet). If there is a hitch in the action at all, it's almost always with the cylinder, or sometimes the hand.

Post WW II S&W's on up to MIM internals...require abrasives to most every part to do a proper action job. In all my years of working on revolvers, I've seen many broken forged S&W hammers; have yet to see a broken MIM hammer (although I did see on on the internet once, a J frame with a broken spur; the gun still worked).

So if you prefer non MIM internals for just a general preference, or if the lock just offends you; it's your gun and you buy what you want. But don't let anyone tell you the post-MIM S&W's are somehow "lesser" revolvers, because that's just not so.

P.S. Never have deployed the lock on any of my S&W revolvers, and none of them have ever had the lock spontaneously deploy.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:56 AM   #22
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To further expand and support Mr. Marlow's points on the durability of S&W revolvers. As someone who started gunsmithing at a S&W & Colt service depot, and during the days when revolves were still king with law enforcement, I can say I've seen a chit-load of broken revolvers; mostly S&W K frames. And it wasn't just the magnum K frames that broke, even the .38 Special K frame revolvers could be found in just horrid shape. Of course you have to consider that many LE agencies kept their revolvers in service DECADES after they should have been replaced. But things like split forcing cones (and it wasn't just the lightweight magnums), bent cranes, wrecked timing, endshake, stretched frames, frames broken under the crane, etc.

All of those same issues could be found on a high round count 29...and by high round count, I'm talking well under 5k rounds of magnum loads...often even half that.

None of that is to say that S&W doesn't make an excellent product; I strongly prefer S&W's products; wart's and all!

And contrary to popular lore, a Colt Python almost NEVER had any of the above mentioned issues. Python's are BRUTALLY strong .357's that can take a long lifetime of full magnum rounds (even the old REAL .357's) without any significant issues.

Colt DA revolvers DO NOT go out of time easy, that's complete BS that comes from people who don't understand the design, and most often do a S&W type timing test to a Colt revolver; which is completely wrong. I have personally seen a Python that the Colt rep used to bring about every couple of years that had 100k of magnum rounds through it, and while it looked like hell on the outside, it was still in time. (It was the original Python that Colt took around to teach their tech class to gunsmiths; very early Python).

Ruger's DA revolvers are very good revolvers; again, brute strong. Ruger does the best investment casting that can be had, and their parts are of very high quality.

Although in some ways a Ruger is superior to a S&W, and of course the Python is much superior to a S&W...I'm hopelessly wedded to S&W's because that's what I grew up shooting, and all else just feels a bit foreign in my hand. If I were a smart man (which no one has accused me of yet), I'd buy another Python and happily shoot it the rest of my life. But I soldier on, quite happily in my knowing-ignorance, still hopelessly in love with my S&W's.
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I've got a Model 19-3, which I'm very fond of, and which has seen mostly .38 Specials fed through her. Someone somewhere did a very nice trigger job on it, and I am very grateful to them for that.

I also have Model 29-10, complete with the lock and the MIM parts...and a 6.5" barrel. It's a really beautiful revolver. And while I haven't shot tons of rounds, they've all been magnums, and I have never had the lock "turn itself on".

I also own a Ruger or two (or more), and they are fine firearms. The machine engraved SP101 my wife gifted me for our anniversary a few years ago is really very beautiful. And she shoots as well as she looks.

I also own Colt's and a Walther and a Springfield Armory and a...well, I'll admit it. I'm a gun slut.

Like Kevin, when it comes to double action revolvers, I'm a Smith & Wesson guy.

But I do fool around...
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:47 PM   #24
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Gentlemen, perhaps I should once again mention that this is a quest for a .44 Mag that weighs in at less than 40 ounces. While the Colt Python was quite an impressive .357 Mag revolver (even standard issue for CPD until 1991) it wasn't a .44 Mag at less than 40 ounces.

I'm not going to delve into the speed loading differences between S&W, Colt, and Dan Wesson, as this is nothing more than a historical debate that has been settled on the time clock by magazine changes. On the "STREET" semi-automatic pistol's have antiquated every revolver ever made, but the .44 Mag is still viable afield. Mr. Marlow and I would probably do better conversing offline, as the people and places that I know on a first name basis as acquaintances of the PRIVILEGED, due to the tasks I was assigned to preform in Service facilitated my hobnobbing with the snobs of the firearms industry. Believe me when I tell Y'all that folks in the field directed Government Contracts that determined the fate of Industry Giants. (I just want to ask what Government Contract Ruger ever fufilled?) So perhaps it would be worthy of Y'all's time to research all the Government contracts that the investment casting firearm distributor known as Ruger Arms has ever fulfilled?

So can we get back to the less than 40 ounce .44 Mag that I would like to purchase?
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(I just want to ask what Government Contract Ruger ever fufilled?) So perhaps it would be worthy of Y'all's time to research all the Government contracts that the investment casting firearm distributor known as Ruger Arms has ever fulfilled?
Just off the top of my head, many contracts here at home with the Mini-14 for police forces/high end security forces. Also, over the pond, perhaps you've noted the French cops toting Minis? Revolver contracts also and police contracts for service auto loading handguns, both here and over the ponds.
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:38 PM   #26
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Just off the top of my head, many contracts here at home with the Mini-14 for police forces/high end security forces. Also, over the pond, perhaps you've noted the French cops toting Minis? Revolver contracts also and police contracts for service auto loading handguns, both here and over the ponds.
Perhaps I didn't speak splain enough! USGI contracts.

We shall leave the question of high end for a later date.

But the visual contrast between past "Top Shelf S&W revolvers" and the current award winning S&W model 69 revolver is a bit hard for Old purists. JMO. Many decades have passed since last I purchased an S&W revolver, perhaps my expectations are a bit to lofty?
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:39 AM   #27
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I'm unsure why 40 oz. became the secret number but on page 425 of the latest Gun Digest they show the 329PD at 26 oz. and the 629 at 41.5. There is also a 329 XL Hunter. They don't show weight for that one but it should make it.

I was involved in some of the testing with silhouette guns and closely followed the changes made to correct the cylinder popping open and then the change to CNC manufacture of cylinders and extractors that is so good all they have to do to time one is put the parts in.

I've got years of trigger time with PPC revolvers and the new guns are every bit as good or better than the old, hand-fitted guns.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:48 PM   #28
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I'm unsure why 40 oz. became the secret number but on page 425 of the latest Gun Digest they show the 329PD at 26 oz. and the 629 at 41.5. There is also a 329 XL Hunter. They don't show weight for that one but it should make it.

I was involved in some of the testing with silhouette guns and closely followed the changes made to correct the cylinder popping open and then the change to CNC manufacture of cylinders and extractors that is so good all they have to do to time one is put the parts in.

I've got years of trigger time with PPC revolvers and the new guns are every bit as good or better than the old, hand-fitted guns.
Back on post # 13:For my revolver purpose I should probably consider the S&W 329PD or maybe even the Taurus 444 ULTRALIGHT? But I'm not a big fan of the style of front sight that they carry.

Model 329PD | Smith & Wesson

MODEL 444 ULTRALITE .44 MAGNUM REVOLVER IN TITANIUM STAINLESS STEEL

I have experience carrying the .357 Mag S&W L-frame (along with .44 Mag N-frames) and at 37 ounces I'm thinking it would be a better choice than the Ultralights at the range. I've taken the .44 Mag Dan Wesson afield before, but at over 50 ounces it feels like a boat anchor by the end of the day. (Guess I'm not getting any younger!) All the N-frames are going to push about 45 ounces, so shaving eight ounces at the price of one more round in the cylinder sounds fair. I'm not expecting any running gun battles while I'm hunting. So if I can't stop a charging critter with 5 rounds, odds are I'm not going to due much better with a sixth. But this line of thinking may be flawed? Getting a little long winded.

The 37 ounces of the L-Framed S&W Model 69 seemed to be an excellent compromise (albeit one less round) between Ultralight, Classic S&W, or even heavier Dan Wesson & Ruger.

When I went to fondle the Model 69 I expected to purchase, it came up wanting. Like wanting Galco alcoves grips, counter bored cylinders, and an aesthetically pleasing appeal. (To me) Along with an unwanted & unneeded safety system that was suspect in my opinion. I wasn't able to pull the trigger on the price point of a revolver that didn't offer me more than than I could purchase at a lower price, like the wood gripped ruggedly built safety free Ruger revolvers. ( Except that Ruger's revolvers fall into the boat anchor weight of the even more precise and rugged Dan Wesson .44 Mag revolvers I already own.) Enter those that didn't properly comprehend my aversion to paying more for less quality than I expected at this price point! The S&W Model 69 must be quite a revolver to earn the honors of revolver of the year, it just didn't meet my expectations of a "Top Shelf" S&W Revolver.
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If Colt gets the Anaconda back into production, that would be another option for you.
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If Colt gets the Anaconda back into production, that would be another option for you.
I don't remember the Anaconda being exceptionally light weight and I've been reading that Colt is shaking things up. (having a few problems) But yes, the Anaconda would gain some of my attention.

Perhaps I should reconsider a 43.8 ounce 4 inch Model 29, Model 29 - S&W Classics 4" Blue | Smith & Wesson
Or I could entertain adding more to the cost of the Model 69 by purchasing wood grips etc...? But I haven't found the nomenclature on S&W's web-sight as to which factory wood grip is specified for the Model 69.
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After reconsidering the features of the Old L frame .357 Mag I have, the New S&W Model 629 is the version that most closely matches. Model 629 | Smith & Wesson
I would need to purchase a set of wood target grips as the 629 isn't equipped with them as standard. Product: N/G Square Butt Rosewood Checkered Target Grip w/S&W Medallions

I'll hit shooters on the way to Thing 3's tonight. Perhaps I'll feel more encouraged if I get a chance to fondle the 629.
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Shame you're not in San Antonio as I've a bunch or S&W would stocks that might work for you.
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Shame you're not in San Antonio as I've a bunch or S&W would stocks that might work for you.
Like "Paladin" I have a gun & will travel csmkersh. But I'm partial to "Zebra Wood"( as found on the "Old Dan Wesson's) but the US Post Office and payment on your favorite medium is not against my mode of operations. So I'll spend more time on this once I've decided which S&W revolver follows me home. Thanks.
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