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Old 02-11-2017, 09:13 AM   #41
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That guy in the tank was was Gen Patton who started his Cavalry here in Texas chasing Poncho Villa. Patton became known latter in for carrying a brace of pistols, a Colt SAA in.45 Colt and a S&W in .357 Magnum. For desk duty he'd stick a Colt 1903 in his waist band. It was that same period and incident the 1911 was used the first time and may have also been the Cavalry's last horse charge. Texas was a fun place around the turn of the century.

At the time the Colt SAA was still the Army's gun. They had a bad experience with .38s in the Philippines fighting Moro Muslim Juramentados. The Army's .38 wasn't the .38 Special but a far less powerful .38 Colt. The Army, as a result of their loses against the Moros re-activated the older SAAs and pushed Browning on his development of the 1911. Smith & Wesson was also selling their top-break American in .45 Government aka Short Colt. While the milder .38s might be more controllable, they didn't get the attention of the hopped up Moros like a 225-250 grain .45 slug.
csmkersh, almost completely nailed it again. Only thing left out was the 2 different Trapdoor loads of 405 & 500 .45-70 for Cavalry & Infantry respectively. Yup, them wild little Moros assisted in the Army's selection of the .45 ACP 1911. Perhaps the last time the Army got sidearm selection correct?
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:24 AM   #42
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Mii8LR,

Most members on this forum know the story of the adoption of the .45 and the 1911, as well as much of Patton's history. When I replied to your "question" I gave you the benefit of the doubt --as I think Sam was too -- that you were sincerely interested in the answers. I was rewarded with a condescending, arrogant, and mostly nonsensical reply. if you want to contribute and maybe allow yourself to learn something along the way, fine. But if you want to "test" us to see if any of us mere mortals are in anyway as clever as you esteem yourself to be, take it to another board.
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M118LR, I skipped the rifle loads because you said "Single Action Rolling Block Rifle/Carbine. Colt made a single action rifle using the 1873 revolver as the action basis. I wasn't sure you might not be confused. I'm far more used to seeing the rifle referred to simply as a rolling block. The Cavalry also used a .44-40 cartridge which meant .44 caliber and 40 grains black powder. During Lincoln's War they used the Spencer lever action in .56-50 as well as the Henry lever action so trying to pin things down can get twisted.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding SpecialEd. I thought things had lightened up when csmkersh playfully commented on Elmer Keith's abuse/use of the SAA and we have been trifling with associated military facts related to the 1911's time of acceptance. Sorry if you felt that I was in anyway was testing you, I wasn't.

Thanks for the Henry & Spencer input csmkersh, we probably shouldn't forget to mention the contributions of Gatling.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding SpecialEd. I thought things had lightened up when csmkersh playfully commented on Elmer Keith's abuse/use of the SAA and we have been trifling with associated military facts related to the 1911's time of acceptance. Sorry if you felt that I was in anyway was testing you, I wasn't.

Thanks for the Henry & Spencer input csmkersh, we probably shouldn't forget to mention the contributions of Gatling.
Mea culpa,

I was annoyed, I may have overreacted. Moving on...
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Mea culpa,

I was annoyed, I may have overreacted. Moving on...
Still, you have my Honest & Public apology for having offended You Sir.
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