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Old 01-25-2016, 02:27 PM   #1
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Who currently makes the best across the counter 1911? Kimber has suffered a ding in its reputation with some. So, Colt, Kimber, Remington, Rock Island? I'm looking for a commander sized* pistol with tritium sights and Ambi-safety out of the box.

*4 inch barrel, not 3.
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I have one of these and it is top notch:

Product: Model SW1911Sc<br>E-Series?, Round Butt, Scandium Frame

Also, I have never been disappointed with Springfield Armory. I have two Range Officers (.45 and 9mm), a TRP, a MilSpec, and an EMP. All excellent.
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there's something "wrong" about a s&w 1911- like mcdonalds chicken
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Thanks, CaptainGyro.
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Top I have never had any trouble with quite a few Kimbers or the S&W but right now the best bargain is the Springfield Range Officer. I've had a couple and have another on order.

They have a commander (4.25") size with what you want although I'm not sure if the ambi is standard but they're available.

There is a long article in the new Hodgdon Annual Manual where a 5" one was used for load development and there were some sub 1" 25 yd. groups
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Commander in steel or alloy?
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Who has no recent experience with the 1911 crop.
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there's something "wrong" about a s&w 1911- like mcdonalds chicken
A parable: There once was a man (OK, my Dad) who was a GM man. Every car he bought came from GM because they made "the best, and they're American." After WWII the idea of a Japanese car was anathema to him.

One day, driving with my Mom in his two year old Buick, the transmission fell out on the Ohio turnpike...literally dropped down onto the pavement at 70 mph. He managed to get the car to the shoulder without killing anyone, and got towed home.

A few days later he called me, excited about his new car. "What did you get?" I asked. "Oh, another Buick, of course".

I have owned exactly one Colt's 1911, and one Kimber, because when I was just starting out in the world of JMB guns, everyone told me that's what I should have. Being new to the game I came with no preconceived notions, and comparing the Colt and the Kimber to the other manufacturers, I gradually started to think, "You've got to be kidding me. People are paying extra for these, when the other offerings on the table from non-traditional manufacturers are so much better, and cheaper to boot?"

That S&W E series may be from a "wrong" manufacturer, but even with a 4" inch barrel it will nail a steel prairie dog from 70 yards about a third of the time, and the misses are close. The Range Officers will do a little better. My Colt's (Series 70 Mark IV, customized with a hand-fit Kart barrel by Don Williams of The Action Works) isn't as accurate, and the fit and finish are ho-hum. I shot it a few times, then put it in the safe until the right "Colt's man" comes along.
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Skeptic49, I'd prefer steel over aluminum frame it that's what you meant by alloy. S&W has a bob-tailed 4.25" barreled gun with ambi-saftey but it's a little costly and close to $1,500 MSRP. The Springfield Charlie mentioned doesn't come with ambi-safety but I can and have fitted them to a Colt Government Model and a Rock Island.

Thanks, guys.
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I know it's all about the mindset, but the colt and the Remington rand are all I see having in the near future as i'm into revolvers now-I don't cotton to bending over so much anymore and I reload- I also use an 1100 for t&s, even though there are better s/gs on the market- I freely acknowledge that

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Who currently makes the best across the counter 1911? Kimber has suffered a ding in its reputation with some. So, Colt, Kimber, Remington, Rock Island? I'm looking for a commander sized* pistol with tritium sights and Ambi-safety out of the box.

*4 inch barrel, not 3.
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These days if I'm buying a factory 1911 it's a Colt. Unfortunately I don't believe Colt makes a steel frame commander anymore with those features. And most makers don't offer tritium sights right out of the box. If you could tolerate a LW Commander (which is my preference), then the Lightweight Commander is the best they've made probably ever, and as icing on the cake, the roll stamping on the slide is old school Colt.

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Skeptic49, I'd prefer steel over aluminum frame it that's what you meant by alloy. S&W has a bob-tailed 4.25" barreled gun with ambi-saftey but it's a little costly and close to $1,500 MSRP. The Springfield Charlie mentioned doesn't come with ambi-safety but I can and have fitted them to a Colt Government Model and a Rock Island.

Thanks, guys.
The S&W is a true commander length, but they're aluminum (scandium) frame guns. I've been carrying one for about 12 years and mine has been a very good pistol. In fact my daughter has laid claim to it and if she does go off to college next year it's going with her, so I'm in the market. My plan at this point is to buy the Colt LW Commander in 9mm and fit a .38 Super barrel. I just think a .38 Super LW Commander is so damn cool; just gotta have one.

The Springfield is a 4" rather than a 4.25" and I think it uses a cone barrel. I've heard great things about the RIA Commanders but I've never shot one.

Oh this just in (because I just thought of it); don't overlook the Ruger. They make a steel Commander and every Ruger 1911 I've had my hands one was very well built.
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Kevin Gibson,

I feel your pain. = My daughter "adopted" my little Makarov, when she went to work for UT/Austin, some years ago. ===> Daughters tend to be like that. - What's Daddy's becomes hers easily.
(Now that little MAK goes everywhere with her, since she became "a big shot" with the TX DPS.)

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Makarov is one hell of a pistol...they're built Ford tough!!!
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My daughter "adopted" my little Makarov, (and) that little MAK goes everywhere with her, since she became "a big shot" with the TX DPS.
Hope you don't mind the editing. Is she in a job that could lead to a Texas Ranger appointment? If so, man that would be way cool.

Kevin, I hadn't even given Ruger a thought. Unlike S&W, I'm still POed with them for what Willie B did. Yeah, I know the kids backed off on the magazine thing. I guess if I can get over the "S&W must die," thing I should let go of my Ruger beef since the Old Man is gone.
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I went 20 years between purchasing 1911's, Kimber had a solid hold on my 1911 purchases both 9mm & 45 ACP, but I finally caved in and purchased the S&W E Series with the external extractor and Tritium Sights. Now if I could only do something to change my Combat Tupperware Syndrome when cinching up my Duty Belt? But other than purchasing a sight adjustment tool to slide the front sight without damage I can find nothing to complain about the S&W 1911 E.
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I went 20 years between purchasing 1911's, Kimber had a solid hold on my 1911 purchases both 9mm & 45 ACP, but I finally caved in and purchased the S&W E Series with the external extractor and Tritium Sights. Now if I could only do something to change my Combat Tupperware Syndrome when cinching up my Duty Belt? But other than purchasing a sight adjustment tool to slide the front sight without damage I can find nothing to complain about the S&W 1911 E.
Mine has been flawless, I can't complain. My preference for the Colt's is mostly on aesthetics since I've found the new Colt's are every bit as reliable.
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csmkersh,

NOPE. "La Primera" daughter is an MSEE & THE computer "geek" for DPS HQ. - She's smart enough to NOT be a LEO.

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Makarov is one hell of a pistol...they're built Ford tough!!!
Ford wishes they were built Makarov tough!

I have a 1962 East German Makarov that has an action job by Teddy Jacobson (is he still around?). With that stationary barrel, it's as accurate as the day is long.
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I won't bash Maks but I prefer the Cz 82/83.

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Who isn't thrilled with the magazine catch on the butt.
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I won't bash Maks but I prefer the Cz 82/83.

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Who isn't thrilled with the magazine catch on the butt.
Have one of those too. 83 in 9mm MAK.
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