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Old 12-04-2015, 02:21 PM   #1
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Your favorite "sleeper" pistols

So what are some handguns that aren't generally though of much, but you consider to be very good?

Most of these can be had on the cheap
Taurus 92 - Best pistol they have ever made, they really work
Most anything made by Astra or Star are good pistols
Ruger P90 - Ugly, funky, works perfectly and shoots lights out
S&W 3rd Generation autos, they were all pretty darned good
Bersa Thunder .380, never encountered one that didn't work
Tanfoglio CZ copies
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:33 PM   #2
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With the exception of the Taurus I've had experience with the rest. I've always like the 3rd gen smiths and the 4046 was my issue pistol and carried a 3913 a lot. Lots of miles with the FBI 1076 too.

That said I am a big fan of the M&P and now carry a "J" frame every day. Whan I feel the need for something bigger it's an M&P .40
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:57 AM   #3
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As mentioned in another thread I'm warming to the SCCY (pronounced "SKY") CPX-2. For a shade over $200 you get a dependable polymer/steel 10+1 9mm that's easily concealable. It's well-made, has been favorably received by the gun press, comes with a lifetime warranty, and seems totally dependable (so far).

The only downside is a long, heavy DA-only trigger, but for something you can stick in your britches for mexican or appendix carry, that's not a bad feature.
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Old 12-05-2015, 09:23 AM   #4
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Kevin Gibson,

the BEST 20 bucks that I ever spent was for an EX-Condor Legion (built in about 1935 or so) Astra 400 that I bought when I was in college in 1966.

The 400 was UGLY, would shoot anything that would chamber, shot accurately & never failed me a single time.
(A buddy of mine that's a Deputy Constable in Camp County, TX still carries it on duty.)

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I have an Astra 600; it's funky cool. Recoil is snappy for a 9mm but that pistol WORKS, and is quite accurate.
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Old 12-05-2015, 08:00 PM   #6
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Kevin Gibson,

The 400 shoots .38ACP ammo quite well & I shot many a magazine in mine, as 9x19mm Parabellum JHP was often unavailable in the little town in AR where I started my LE career in 1966.

The recoil of the 400 is somewhat less "snappy", as the 400 is HEAVIER & about an inch LONGER, too.

SOME people even shoot .38Super in that pistol, though I don't recommend that rather hot round in a blowback pistol.

yours, sw

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If I recall correctly the 400 was marked for 9mm Largo but would safely handle the .38 Super, .38ACP and 9mm. Stan Watie is correct, the Super is max and only for 400s in good shape. One of the ugliest auto I ever had.
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csmkersh,

Thinking back to my "really poor period in college" (Both of us were trying to go to college in my ROTC scholarship.) & starting out in LE, I did a bit of "looking about for cartridge info" for the Astra 400.

The "correct ammo" is the 9x23mm Spanish Service Cartridge, which is essentially the same as the 9mm 9x23 Largo.
The Spanish Army service manual stated that 9mm Bergman-Bayard was appropriate, to use "for service use", as was the 9mm Steyr, .38ACP & the 9mm Browning Long.

The SA service manual does NOT say that 9x19mm Parabellum is correct for the 400. Nonetheless the Parabellum round works FINE in over 90% of the 400 pistols & Chile actually issued Parabellum cartridges for their 400 pistols for decades.

Note: 99% of Astra 400 pistols will also chamber & fire the 9x23mm Winchester factory ammo which is FAR TOO HOT to shoot safely in a blowback pistol.
Nonetheless, IF you have access to empty 9x23 Winchester cases, they work beautifully with the 9x23 reloading data reduced by 20%.

WARNING: There is some 9x21 Largo ammo in the USA that was designed for SMG use & that SMG ammo is DEFINITELY NOT SAFE for the 400.

just my OPINIONS, sw
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I have an Astra 600; it's funky cool. Recoil is snappy for a 9mm but that pistol WORKS, and is quite accurate.
The first handgun I ever bought was an Astra 600 in 9mm Luger. It was reliable and accurate. I think I paid $60, bought from a guy in Georgia who was selling a couple of pistols. A friend with me bought a Webley that chambered .45 ACP at the same time.

One of the gun mags I read at the time (mid 70's) happened to have a one pager on the gun and how to field strip it. THAT came in handy. I would have never figured that out.
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Old 12-07-2015, 05:03 PM   #10
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CZ-97 .45 ACP
CZ-82/83 Series 9mm Mak/.380 ACP
Taurus .38 Snubbies
S&W "Ladysmith" 9mm (An excellent piece, whatever your gender!)
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I had an Astra Constable a long time ago as well as a Star Firestar.

Great guns, wish I still had them.

Got memories of a visit to Wales instead.

Redheads - trouble, the lot of them...

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I have the Taurus version of the 1911. It's a pretty good gun its been accurate and reliable, and it only cost me $450.00 brand new.
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My Beretta 71 impresses me every time I remember to take it out and actually shoot it. As a functional gun, it puts the vaunted Walther PP and PPK to shame (I have all three in .22) in accuracy, reliability, feel, and overall "shootability." What a neat little gun!

I have a Stoeger .22 Luger that was a favorite for years. It was every bit as accurate and reliable as any Ruger .22 auto, and way more fun to shoot. Lately it's developed extraction/ejection problems I can't seen to diagnose or fix. I THINK it might be a weak extractor spring. But disassembly to fix this is a major PITA with that gun.
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My Beretta 71 impresses me every time I remember to take it out and actually shoot it. As a functional gun, it puts the vaunted Walther PP and PPK to shame (I have all three in .22) in accuracy, reliability, feel, and overall "shootability." What a neat little gun!

I have a Stoeger .22 Luger that was a favorite for years. It was every bit as accurate and reliable as any Ruger .22 auto, and way more fun to shoot. Lately it's developed extraction/ejection problems I can't seen to diagnose or fix. I THINK it might be a weak extractor spring. But disassembly to fix this is a major PITA with that gun.
All the Beretta Puma's (models 70-76, 100-103) were outstanding pistols, and I'd agree; they were MUCH better than the PPK. Along with being more reliable, just plain nicer to shoot, they had an aluminum frame making them significantly lighter weight.
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