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Old 12-12-2014, 04:48 PM   #21
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Found one...I had one in 25 but have never seen one in 9. Kind of cool looking actually...
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Ratfink2u,

Colt made the Model of 1903/1908 in .25 ACP, .32 ACP & .380 ACP but none, to my knowledge in any other caliber.
(I liked my old Colt's Pocket Auto in .32 ACP, despite it's lack of power, as it was small/light/flat.)

I would think that in 2014 that Colt or someone else could make a similarly small/flat SA pistol in 9x19MM.

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Old 12-12-2014, 06:54 PM   #23
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Yea, my 25 wasn't a power house but it was dependable for over a 100 years old...looked like a 3 dollar whore but still put out...so to speak.
It would be a fun gun in 9....The picture I found was not a factory Colt obviously but someones conversion.

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Old 12-16-2014, 09:25 AM   #24
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I handled a Colt New Agent in 9mm yesterday, with the "groove sight."

The sight would take getting used to but should be useful at conversational ranges.

No bushing on the barrel, it appears. At least when I was looking it over. I'm not the world's greatest 1911 expert and I will admit that.

The slide felt smooth and slick. The trigger was excellent. Very smooth, and "a little dab will do ya" as far as pull, at least that was how it felt to me. The grip safety must be pressed in for that to happen, but a positive grip does that automatically.

So, the quality is there. It was also priced about $100 less that the "Suggested Price" at the website, for what it's worth.

For those in Southern New Jersey, it was at the shop that starts with a "Z" in Egg Harbor Twp. if you want to check it out.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:20 PM   #25
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To me the lack of conventional sights on the Agent is detracting from the gun. It's not tiny, it's a compact pistol...about the same size as the Springfield EMP. Any other gun in that size range has conventional sights. Conventional sights are of absolutely ZERO liability to the gun, so why even pretend to be "on to something"?
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Kevin Gibson,

AGREED 100%. - Further, I want FIXED sights on a combat handgun, as I've seen, over the last 3 decades on the job, too many adjustables get out of whack.

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Old 12-16-2014, 04:03 PM   #27
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Agreed SW,
I like the fixed sights on my piece. My duty Sig stood up to almost 20 years of abuse from range days to daily use.
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Ratfink2u,

My Sig-Sauer P6 is 32 years old & it still does fine.

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I do remember waaayy back in the early eighties when I desperately wanted a set of S&W adjustable sights installed on my 1911. Think it was all the rage then. Never could swing the bucks. An E-5 with 3 kids didn't have a whole lot of disposable income.

The only auto I have with adjustable sights now is my aforementioned Range Officer, which I consider a target gun.

Times do change.
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I've found the Bo-Mar design to be pretty darned tough. I've banged a few up, but I've never been able to knock them off zero.
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I've found the Bo-Mar design to be pretty darned tough. I've banged a few up, but I've never been able to knock them off zero.
...and the sights on the Range Officer are Bo-Mar knock offs (I guess - they are marked Springfield). If they are knock offs, I sure hope they built them to Bo-Mar specs and as tough as you describe.

I've got it set to my liking now. It makes me look good with PMC Bronze ball. Can't wait to play around with it and see what it really likes.
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...and the sights on the Range Officer are Bo-Mar knock offs (I guess - they are marked Springfield). If they are knock offs, I sure hope they built them to Bo-Mar specs and as tough as you describe.
They are likely sourced out to the current Kensight, a division of Keng's Firearms Specialty, Inc. I call them Faux-Mars. Likewise, their Novak knock-offs are Faux-vaks.
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WOW. = I want one of those in 9x19mm.
(Cannot feature WHY it's in .380ACP.)

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According to George Hill madogre.com the 85% Browning is too short for 9x19mm which uses a 1mm longer case, but considerably longer bullets.

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They are likely sourced out to the current Kensight, a division of Keng's Firearms Specialty, Inc. I call them Faux-Mars. Likewise, their Novak knock-offs are Faux-vaks.
As much as I miss Bo-Mar and it's sad they're gone (they failed to modernize), the knock offs are all very good sights.
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I just did some trading off two handguns on two new Colt 1911s a XSE and 1991 both black steel 5" .45acps.
How is the trigger pull? I checked out some new 1911s and the Colt trigger pull was like a S&W Shield. The best trigger I tried was on a Sig 1911, as good or maybe better than the 4 1/2 lb trigger a smith put on my Mk IV and Springfield.

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Actually Colt has a well established habit of missing boats

They practically gave the .22 target pistol market to High Standard in the late 30s and never was a real player there afterward.

Perhaps the biggest gaffe of all was failing to capitalize on the "Dirty Harry" craze. S&W really had a private playground in .44 Magnum and when they finally got around to making one almost ten years later nobody cared.

Yet another is to abandon the 1911 market to Kimber. Before Kimber came along Colt was there only game in town and prices went up and quality went down but when the Kimber came out in 1995 it has all the features shooters were paying dearly to custom smiths to modify the Colt.

Colt's quality has certainly improved but I think they are still behind Springfield and Kimber.
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I just did some trading off two handguns on two new Colt 1911s a XSE and 1991 both black steel 5" .45acps.
I have to say Colt has again regained the quality it had lost a few years ago.
Both my Colts have quality finish's and the fits of all parts are quality.
Both have shot really good groups for my shooting.
And both Colts have have not had any FTFs or FTEs and slides lock back after last round fired.
The Colt provided Mags are quality and load and work great.

Myself I would not buy their small Agents, and I read in other forums that they the Colt Agent have many problems.

I feel if you stick to the Colt 1911s you will be happy,the other Colts the jury is still out.
Regarding the new Colt's, my observations mirror yours.

My 2011 purchased .38 Super 1991 has been a stellar performer. The slide and frame machining are absolutely flawless. The hammer and slide stop are milled tool steel. Trigger and MSH are plastic which were quickly replaced. Although I must say the color of the plastic matched the finish absolutely perfectly and really didn't detract from the gun at all. They looked very nice and performed as they should. I only changed because I wanted an old school A1 look about the gun, so went arched with a lanyard loop, and short steel trigger.

My .38 Super will ding milk jugs at 150 yards all day long, which is all the accuracy I require.

When I test drove a XSE LW Commander in .38 Super I had some SERIOUS buyers remorse about my S&W Scandium LW Commander (which is a flawless performer itself). But the Colt's was just nicer in every imaginable way.

If I were in the market for another 1911, I'd look at Colt's first. Unless I needed to pinch pennies, then I'd grab the Ruger.
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How is the trigger pull? I checked out some new 1911s and the Colt trigger pull was like a S&W Shield. The best trigger I tried was on a Sig 1911, as good or maybe better than the 4 1/2 lb trigger a smith put on my Mk IV and Springfield.

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On my .38 Super the trigger was fairly crisp at just under 6lbs. So I cleaned it up and it's at around 3.75lbs now.
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Actually Colt has a well established habit of missing boats

They practically gave the .22 target pistol market to High Standard in the late 30s and never was a real player there afterward.

Perhaps the biggest gaffe of all was failing to capitalize on the "Dirty Harry" craze. S&W really had a private playground in .44 Magnum and when they finally got around to making one almost ten years later nobody cared.

Yet another is to abandon the 1911 market to Kimber. Before Kimber came along Colt was there only game in town and prices went up and quality went down but when the Kimber came out in 1995 it has all the features shooters were paying dearly to custom smiths to modify the Colt.

Colt's quality has certainly improved but I think they are still behind Springfield and Kimber.
If you look at the history of Colt's, they have ALWAYS been a breath away from insolvency, and became insolvent in the late '80's. How they managed to stay afloat is beyond me.

These days it seems like Cot's is getting a clue. Quality wise I'd put them ahead of Kimber, which seems to have let their quality drop quite a bit, and slightly behind or nearly equal to Springfield (depending on model).

No one, regardless of price makes a better frame and slide than Colts...that much I'll stand up and say.
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