I welcome opinions on which double action 45 is worthy of being purchased. I'm trying it keep the price under $700.00.
Also, if you have a G21 I would appreciate you could share your comments on how you rate the pistol. The Glock is my second option if I don't find a double action .45 I like.
Regards, Joe
I owuld pick up a sig 220. the sig is by far the most accurate handgun out of the box I have ever shot---it feels good balances right and just plain shoots---I hold about a 2.5 inch group at 25 yards when i do my part. Sig has unbelivable customer service--and I guarantee you sig will never let you down.
My shooting instructor owns 2 Taurus .45 autos that I believe are DA but I am not sure, he said they shoot really well and they came with factory night sites, ported barrels that are only like i believe 4" long, 2 8rd magazines and are stainless for something like $450/pc. Looked pretty good to me.
Glocks are single action. ATF said that Glocks are DAO. How come when you pull the trigger of a Glock it won't reset itself like a Double action revolver (when the chamber's empty) Just to be politically correct, Glocks are Safe Action.
The Sig is a good choice if you get that. I have a Glock 30 though. The grips for the 21 are too big for me too. Only difference between the 30 and 21 are size and you can get three extra rounds with the 21 vs. 10. The 30 will be better for carry. Both same accuracy but they are not tac drivers like 1911's. None of these three pistols including the Sig will let you down.
A Glock is NOT double action it is safe action.
To be double action it would have to have some manner of manually bringing the striker to the ready to fire position without using the trigger and this feature no Glock pistol possesses.
The H&K USP double action varients in .45 acp are excellent.
The SIG 220 is a very, very good Double action .45 acp pistol and because they use conventional type rifling, lead bullet ammunition can be safely fired in the 220, something that can't be done in the Glock or H&K pistols unless an aftermarket barrel using conventional rifling is substituted for the factory barrel.
If you intend to shoot jacketed bullet ammunition only and prefer a dcouble action system to a safe action system my nod would go toward the Heckler and Koch USP.
If you want a pistol that will fire any and all ammunition without modification and features a double action trigger system the SiG 220 is hard to beat.
Oh yeah, because of the filter on this site you can only penis your pistol, you can't cock it here!
Remember a loaded and penised pistol is very dangerous!
Or you can spell "c0ck & lock" etc with a "0" zero instead of an O. But please, if it is not weapons releated, don't substitute.. Lets keep the site clean and family friendly.
Owned a G21 for ~8 years. Good sidearm. But it is like a single action with no safety as far as I'm concerned. I moved over to the 1911 as I find that it is a safer gun to carry. Manual safeties are a must on all my firearms.
I'm not starting anything here but, maybe in KY you call Glocks DAO. When I went to the armorer's course it is and still SA or Safe Action. You know everybodys entitled to their own opinion. Where not talking about 1911 c0cked and locked action. Where talking about Glock are SAO.
I don't know nothing about Glocks other than they feel like holden the wrong end of a ball bat too me.
For a true Double Action 1st round to Single action follow up round I think you would be limited to the HK UPS, Sig 220 and the old S&W 645. The S&W 645 isn't a bad pistol if you can find one these days but it is Full Sized too. .
I have a G21 and P 220 American and a 4506 and I say that the 4506 is the most realiable of the three. The 4506 is big and heavy, but it goes bang every time. The Sig and the Glock have jammed more than once each with factory ball. Look for a good used 4506 or a 4566 and you will have the strongest and most realiable 45 ever made. Also the Smith will feed and fire anything.
Another vote for the HK USP .45. They are a bit more pricey than a G21, but you get what you pay for. I own several Glocks and used to own a USPc .40, so I am familiar with both systems. I shot a USP and a G21 as I was deciding between the two for a full size "plastic" .45. In terms of accuracy, my worst groups with the HK were half the size of the G21 groups at all ranges. I do not think you could go wrong with either a Sig, HK, or Glock.
I think this thread just turned out to be a really repetitive and amusing argument.
My two Cents:
I've had a G21 and a USP 40
I want a USP 45.
Here are the problems with the Glock:
1. You have to practice a lot if you've never had a Glock (trigger)
2. The grip is really big (i haven't tried the 3rd gen Frame)
3. The 21 is derived from the 20, and therefore could potentially have the same problems as the 40s&w glocks.
4. Mag changes aren't as smooth as with the HK
5. you can't double strike a hard primer with the Safe Action striker
(note: i've only had one misfire because of that, and I was using Hirtenberger sub gun ammo in my pre 1993 17)
Here are the problems with the USP:
1. The sight line is a little high for my taste (i was raised on glocks)
2. There are more parts (i've heard armoring is more involved)
3. The UTL "universal tactical light" costs nearly $100 more than the Insight Tech M3
4. Magazines for the USP cost (right now) more than twice as much as a glock mag
the best single stack SA/DA auto I have ever owned in 45 acp.
other choices:
HK USP45
Sig 220
Beretta Cougar 45 (8045)
Glock 21/ 30/ 36
CZ 97B ( a beautiful specimen!)
Para Ord LDA ( not my favorite)
Colt double Eagle (rare)
Ugh! What's that open-ended condom on the grip-frame?!?
BTW: "cocked and locked" is acceptable on AmBack… this ain't BR.com, so no one has to tax their imagination to figure ways to skirt censorship rules and regs.
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