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Old 01-03-2006, 10:10 AM   #1
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The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Can anyone tell me what type of pistols Lee Van Cleef and Clint Eastwood used in the movie The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly?
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Old 01-03-2006, 10:26 AM   #2
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I believe Clint Eastwood used a 1851 conversion revolver, and I think...are you talking about "Angel Eyes"? I think he had a remington 1858. I'm pretty sure that's right.
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Yes, Angel Eyes. Thanks. Where can I learn more about these guns?
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Old 01-03-2006, 12:18 PM   #4
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I'd do a search online. What I used to know I forgot. I've been out of the cap and ball scene for a while now. When I got to be old enough to own cartridge guns, I got more into those. You can buy new reproduction guns like those from cabelas. I believe they're probably the cheapest source for em. Hope that helps, and sorry it doesn't help more. Good luck.
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Old 01-04-2006, 06:39 PM   #5
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One problem, the 1851 and 1858 Cabela's sells are black powder guns, the revolvers used in the movie use cartridges. Also, what do you mean by "conversion revolver"?
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It means the guns were converted to fire cartridges. FWIW, that wasn't all that uncommon, check the Colt Thuer models, 1868-1872. Also the Richardson conversions. Colt even did factory conversions plus had new open-top revolvers made for cartridges 1871-1872.
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:18 AM   #7
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Cartridge conversions are currently available for a number of BP revolvers. I have been toying with the idea of getting one of the Remington repros and a .38 cylinder for it, if I can find a combination I like.

The conversions aren't cheap. They seem to cost as much as, or more than, the repro BP guns themselves.
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Snake, check Cimarron. They have repos of Colt's open-top cartridge revolvers and conversions.
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Sorry about that. I neglected to mention their guns are black powder only. But they used to convert those old guns back then to fire cartridges. Clint's gun looked to me to be a converted 1851. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
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What about conversion ammunition? I'm told you can't get it anywhere.
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Ack'shully.. although Lee Van Cleef had a belt full of cartridges (FMJ's to boot) in the movie, in the closeups during the final gunfight scene, you can see it's just a cap and ball gun with percussion caps on nipples.

Eli Wallach (The ugly) also has cartridges (and is seen loading them at one point in the film), but in the final gun fight, his pistol is a cap and ball gun, with nipples clearly visible, but without any caps.

Eastwoods gun is a cartridge conversion, or at least an open top cartridge gun of some sort. YOu can see the flat rear face if the cylinder.
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Eli Wallach (The ugly) also has cartridges (and is seen loading them at one point in the film), but in the final gun fight, his pistol is a cap and ball gun, with nipples clearly visible, but without any caps.
That's in the final gunfight. Earlier in the store when he assembles the pistol, it is a cartridge revolver. (round barrel? Not an 1860 Army, but the half and half confederate version) In the very next scene it's a regular '51 Navy.

I guess they only had so many to work with.
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Don't they typically make the new conversions in .38spec, and .45colt? Its been a few yrs since I been into C&B revolvers, and such.
He had FMJ's? what, like .45 autos, or something? I don't remember seeing that, but I wasn't really studying it to be honest.

Could you imagine having only an old gun like that? I guess its better than nothing, but it must have sucked.
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All the new "conversions" (of course they come from the factory that way, so they're not reallY) I've seen have been .38S&W or 38 Special.

There are a few companies selling conversion cylinders to shoot 45 Colt in the Ruger Old Army. Not sure if they make them for other guns.

"Could you imagine having only an old gun like that? I guess its better than nothing, but it must have sucked."
Just think of the ammo you'd save! You almost never had to reload.

FMJ's? Yep.. I'm no expert, I just happened to be watching the movie while surfing the net that day. lol He had rimmed cases with bullets that were the same color as the case. I think they all did.
Ah... we've lost our "suspension of disbelief". It's not Sergio Leone's fault that we pay too close attention to such things. I'm still try'na figure out what state that desert is in.
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Just as an add on... earlier today I was sitting in the.. erh, "library" flipping through a Buffalo Arms catalog and I saw that Kirst does make conversion cylinders in 38 Long for some of the Italian made Colt and Remington copies.
http://www.kirstkonverter.com
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I just looked at Kirst's offerings. They're close, but not exactly what I want.

Somewhere I found the Remington revolver in a 5 1/2" barrel. Okay, I want that in .36. And then I want a SIX shot (not five) conversion cylinder for it in .38 Special.

I'd consider it in .44 Special, maybe, if I could get everything else on the list I wanted.
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that might be a tough one, because of the whole thing of having to rest the hammer on an empty cylinder thing.

I wanted to get a .45colt converter and a 58 remington .44 a yr, or more ago, but never did do it. I figured it would be a good piece that didn't have papers, should they all be banned one day.
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Somewhere I found the Remington revolver in a 5 1/2" barrel. Okay, I want that in .36. And then I want a SIX shot (not five) conversion cylinder for it in .38 Special.

I'd consider it in .44 Special, maybe, if I could get everything else on the list I wanted.
Snake, that a look at this Midway ad and see if this doesn't meet your wants.
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Well, we're getting closer, Sam, but all the cylinders I saw there said .44. And why do they say .44, but for .45 Colt? Is a .44 blackpowder bore the same diameter as .45 Colt?

At least these are 6 shots, and they're for the Remington Ubertis.
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.45 Colt is .451 for jacketed and .452 for cast. I'll have to try and mic my 1860 "Colt" Pierrta or one of the balls and see what I get tomorrow. Or maybe Charlie will stop by and have the numbers in his hip pocket.
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