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Old 12-17-2005, 08:41 PM   #1
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Walther "HP" P-38 still being made?

Hi all - I was wondering if there was a version of the Walther P-38 still being produced but not imported a lot? I saw the terms "Walther p-38/HP" on bags and cases at the Walther web site, then came across a fan page from Germany mentioning a "Walther HP" as still in production, basically a P-38 style gun with "black" blued finish and wooden grips. I don't have the link to that one on me now, sorry.

So, is this piece still in production overseas? If so, why not import to the US along with the P-99s and .22 autos they have now? Perhaps because of the numbers of suprlus WW2 and post-WW2 police guns that are over here in the US? Or t protect domestic or other hand gun companies? Or maybe it is considered a niche market and with all the surplus guns already out there they want to concentrate on the P-99 in the 9mm/40 cal market?

Either way, they are cool guns. I went looking for a post war police gun and ended up picking up a 1942 model that "jumped out at me."

Maybe if I ever pick up a post war gun I might modify it like these babies: <http://www.robertvaughn.com/specials.html>

So, are they still in production in Germany?

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Old 12-18-2005, 03:19 AM   #2
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Dunno if they're still being made or not, but the last US retail price I saw on them, several years ago, was already over $1000. That's an awful lot of money for an obsolete design that's not known for accuracy, not particularly well suited for modern concealed carry, and would have to compete in the marketplace against mil and police surplus copies that sell for a third that, or less.

I agree with you that P.38s are cool, though. I have one complete one, and one bought as a "cigar box parts special" some years ago that I tinker with from time to time. I have it all assembled but it's pretty much in the white and I need to get some kind of finish on it. In the cigar box were two slides and three barrels, so I am toying with the idea of building me an UNCLE Special out of it as well.

I REALLY wish Ciener would make a .22 conversion for P.38.
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Old 12-18-2005, 03:25 PM   #3
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Production on the Walther P-38 type pistols ended in the mid-1990's.

Walther made a very few, very short runs of steel framed P-38's in the 1980's.

There was a run in 1987-89 and at least one "end of production" commemorative model made in the 1990's.


I believe the 1980's run of steel framed guns was known as the "P-38-HP", but these were NOT true HP models as made before WWII.
They were simply the standard post-war P-38, only made with a steel frame.

These steel framed post-war guns are rare, hard to find, and EXPENSIVE.

Earl's sell some of these steel framed P-38's, but hold onto your wallet, because sticker shock will cause heart failure.

Prices START at about $2000.00.
http://www.carlwalther.com/page2.htm
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Old 12-18-2005, 03:57 PM   #4
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(Clicks link) $1,995 with plastic grips? YEEEEOWCH!
Thanks, dfaris and Snake45... if I do pick up another one I guess it will probably be one of those post war police gun, and a "parts project" sounds like the limit if the purpose is tinkering....

Thanks. Too bad about the price (Especially when the P-99 is cheaper and more available) because there might be more demand if the gun were a bit lower in price.... especially when the older more collector-interest ones are available cheaper. (And the post-war police guns literally can be found at about 10-15 percent the price of the $1,995 ones.)

The HP is a beautiful gun though. Oh well....

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Old 12-19-2005, 07:39 AM   #5
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Saw some of the new 'P-1' Walthers at the Sharonville.Ohio gunshow Sunday with a $235.00 price-tag. Looked like a standard P-38 to me.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:41 PM   #6
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HP = 'Heers Pistole'? What's the difference from the Walther P.1?
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:57 PM   #7
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Saw some of the new 'P-1' Walthers at the Sharonville.Ohio gunshow Sunday with a $235.00 price-tag. Looked like a standard P-38 to me.
It is, pretty much. Most if not all of the P.1s, especially those being reimported now, were made with alloy, not steel frames. Some believe this to be a good thing; others, not so much.

The firing pins are different, too. WWII P.38s had so-called "flat" firing pins, the later guns had round ones. This requires changes in other parts, too, such as the safety and IIRC the spring. The WWII type firing pins are somewhat fragile and WILL break on dry firing. (Having broken not just one but TWO of them, I am qualified to make such a statement.) The WWII firing pins are getting scarce, and spendy IF you can find them, so dry-firing WWII P.38s is not recommended. I have no experience one way or the other with the strength of the postwar firing pin.
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