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#1 ·
I'm looking to mount a light on my XD. I'm looking at a streamlight M3 because of cost. Are there any other lights I should consider?
 
#3 ·
Take a look at this company. I served with a guy that works for them, and they hooked him up with prototypes while we were in Iraq, and they worked really solid.

http://www.insightlights.com

Now that I looked at the streamlight M3 better I bet Insight makes these lights for Streamlight...
 
#4 ·
The best light for a pistol is a Mag-light or one of the new LED-types held straight on away from your body in the opposite hand and a little forward. Goblins seem to instinctively shoot at the light in a low-light/no-light situation. I'd rather not be located behind the light in such a situation. The part about those lights that everybody not in law enforcement forgets is that, in a home defense situation, you can only shoot defensively, That is, you can't shoot first, that's murder.
 
#5 ·
Retsgt. - that may be how it is in Ohio, but in Texas if you've broken into my home you're pretty much fair game, especially if the crime is committed at night.

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
  • (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
    (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:[list:15sr6df5]
    (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
    (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
    robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
    property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
  • (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
    (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
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http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/petoc.html

I also note that you're advocating very old police tactics. While not bad, there's better ones using a two-handed hold. And room clearing is really a job for two or more people if possible.
 
#7 ·
Common sense seems to be taking hold in some states. Eventually, once everyone sees that places like Florida and Texas aren't turning into the wild west, other states should get similar self-defense laws passed.
 
#8 ·
csmkersh said:
Retsgt. - that may be how it is in Ohio, but in Texas if you've broken into my home you're pretty much fair game, especially if the crime is committed at night.

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
  • (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
    (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:[list:1ecd05c6]
    (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
    (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
    robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
    property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
  • (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
    (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
[/list:u:1ecd05c6]
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/petoc.html

I also note that you're advocating very old police tactics. While not bad, there's better ones using a two-handed hold. And room clearing is really a job for two or more people if possible.
Sam, you're on the property thing.
If someone has broken into my home, and I'm home,
9.32 (b)

§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.31;
(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation
would not have retreated; and
(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual
assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not
apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the actor.
 
#9 ·
Yup, I am.

What some have tried to do is use §9.32(b) to infer that retreat may be required in other situations other than burglaries of a habitation. I have repeatedly stress this to these peole is

§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31;

(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have retreated; and ...
What I've pointed to is that, at night, there are a lot of crimes (including tagging) that justifies deadly force. Burglary is one of them. From a practicle point of view, I know of no cases in Texas where an intruder has been killed in the day time and the person who killed the intruder being filed on.

TSRA is planning on working on a "castle law" and "no retreat" law similar to Florida's. Which is funny since Florida's pro-gun politicians pointed to Texas as an example how to do it. They didn't get it done this session, so we must work and politic between now and the next session in 2007.

Note to others: We only allow our legislature to meet in odd years. Sort of poetic, as their behavior is often odd.
 
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