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Old 02-06-2005, 09:48 AM   #1
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S&W Model 500 Revolver vs 14' Grissly Bear???

A friend of mine emailed me some pictures of the world's largest grizzly bear; here's the story that went along with the photos...
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"The attached pictures are of a guy who works for the US Forest Service in Alaska and his trophy bear. He was out deer hunting recently when a large grizzly bear charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy emptied his 7mm Magnum semi-automatic rifle into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The big bear was still alive so he reloaded and shot it several times in the head. The bear was just over one thousand six hundred pounds. It stood 12' 6" high at the shoulder, 14' to the top of his head. It's the
largest grizzly bear ever recorded in the world. Of course, the Alaska Fish and Wildlife Commission did not let him keep it as a trophy, but the bear will be stuffed and mounted, and placed on display at the Anchorage airport (to remind tourist's of the risks involved when in the wild).

Based on the contents of the bear's stomach,! the Fish and Wildlife
Commission established the bear had killed at least two humans in the past 72 hours. His last meal was the unlucky nature buff in the third picture below. The US Forest Service, backtracking from where the bear had originated, found the hiker's 38-caliber pistol emptied. Not far from the pistol was the remains of the hiker. The other body has not been found. Although the hiker fired six shots and managed to hit the grizzly with four shots (they ultimately found four 38 caliber slugs along with twelve 7mm slugs inside the bear's dead body), it only wounded the bear and probably angered it. The bear killed the hiker an estimated two days prior to the bear's own death by the gun of the Forest Service worker. "
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We have been debating as to whether the new S&W Model 500 would have done the job on this monster. My guess is no, but my friend thinks it would have been adequate. What the consensus here? Has anyone actually taken a grizzley with a model 500?

Incidentally, neither one of us have ever hunted grissly, but we've read a few articles on it - that's close enough for me.
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Old 02-06-2005, 11:17 AM   #2
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Personally, I consider anything that doesn't have wheels to be too small to fire at a grizzly. Maybe a German 88mm.
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I'd rather have either a class III BAR or M14 before going into Grizzly country. Preferrebly with a S&W 500 as a back up and a .45 as a last ditch. As you can imagine, I'm not going into Grizzly country until I look like Rambo.
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Old 02-06-2005, 05:31 PM   #4
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I wonder if the debate had any mention of shot placement?
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When I was stationed up in Alaska, I talked with many old timers and hunting guides, and the like.

The overall most popular rifle cartridge used up there is a .338 Win Mag. Second would be .300 Win Mag....

The guides I talked to told me in griz country, they would tote at least a .375 H&H, some packed a .458 Win Mag, most with no scope or a 1.5-5x20 Leupold scope for up close work....I knew a retired trapper who carried his "crew serve weapon", a .458 Win Mag post-64 Win M70 (no scope), whenever he trapped in griz country.

Pistol, biggest back then (1995-97) was the .44 Magnum....the .454 Casull was around, and gaining popularity.

Several gunshop sold a lot of 18" pump shotguns with 5-8 shot mags to hikers who would be in griz country. They would load a "buck-n-ball" load of 12 gauge slugs and 00 Buck.

If in griz country, I would have at least .375 HH magnum...I wouldn't trust a pistol. That goes for a .500 SW Magnum, too.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:56 AM   #6
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Well,
The part about it being a bear and being killed is correct but just about everything else is false.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bearhunt.asp

As soon as I read the part about it eating the two people and have a .38 emptied into it I new that part was BS.

Shot placement people, shot placement.
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Old 02-08-2005, 12:39 PM   #7
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SW advertises the 500 magnum as able to take down any animal on earth so if these claims are true it should be adequate to drop a grizzely. take a look at the ft lbs and down range energy of the 500 magnum and it seems to me the cartridge is more than capable of dropping any bear. with all that said i wouldn't want to be the person to find out if SW claims are true or not. the story seemed like BS to me but i could believe a 38 did very little damage to a grizzely bear other than to piss it off.

i talked to a guy who was stationed in alaska and according to him guys carried 50 AE desert eagles as back up in bear country.
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I don't trust a handgun to kill a HUMAN effectively.

Gimme a Marlin Guide Gun with the hottest loads it can handle, and maybe a grenade or two, then I might --MIGHT-- consider going into grizzly country.

Know what, scratch that.

Give me a radio that I can call in close air support from a wing or three of A10s with, then we'll talk.
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Yes, calling in an airstrike from A10s usually does the trick on large grissly bears, but those several hundred 30mm depleted uranium rounds tend to mess up the pelt and chew up the meat pretty bad.
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So far, I have seen three people attempt to fire a S&W 500, and their targets looked like a drunk had discharged a round or two of 00 buck into the paper. No gun is worth beans if you can't HIT YOUR TARGET.

Maybe S&W should make a rifle in that caliber, and forget about the wheel guns.

And what were they thinking when they built one with a 4" barrel?
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Old 02-12-2005, 06:07 AM   #11
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I think you might be putting the blame in the wrong place because the gun is capable of fine accuracy.

The simple answer is that it is too much gun for the guys you saw and probably is too much for the vast majority of people who bought them. But the reason the gun is selling in such large numbers is that lots of people want the biggest, baddest sob in the valley and this is it. Then they discover that it hurts to shoot it... but they still got the biggest... baddest...

The guys that bought the 4" are the same ones who bought the first one... just biiger and badder

It really does take a very experienced shooter to do well with that much recoil but it can be done.

S&W was thinking, "oh goody" all the way to the bank.
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I brought my 8-3/8" model to Gunstock and CP had quite a few interesting loads he had cooked up for it. If I remember correctly, most people who were there and shot it we able to drop the steel popper that was 40 yards away from us. I believe I shot that sucker between 25 and 30 times that day. Proper technique in shooting large bore revolvers is a must. If shot properly, felt recoil is not a major issue.
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True Mike, but most of the loads I brought were the equivalent of hot .44 Magnums which, in that heavy gun, are pussycats. You did shoot some factory ammo (thanks for the brass) but a bunch of factory ammo- especially the heavy bullet stuff- is a test for anyone.

One of the appealing things about the new 460 is that you can also shoot .45 Colt or .454 Cassul. That option is not available for the 50.
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...most of the loads I brought were...pussycats.
I thought that 30# chunk of plate dropped kind of slow
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Sheesh Walt... I didn't want to hurt it...
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I think a lot of people on these forums miss the point and go way off topic...When someone (newbie or not) asks the question we should answer it as accurately as possible. So anyone responding with the rifle that does the job isn't answering the question.

There are several handgun (pistol) calibers that are EASILY capable of killing a Grizzly Bear (Brown Bear), including the Desert Eagle in 50 Action Express. The issue with a Desert Eagle is that they WILL jam. Not worth trying.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of cases of 12 foot and larger Grizzlies being taken in a head on charge by a 44 Magnum. Look at the ballistics..

A 44 Magnum loaded with 340 grain Buffalo Bore hot loads (Outdoorsman) has Energy Levels around 1,533 foot pounds at 1,425 feet per second...

A 454 Casull loaded with either 325 or 360 grain Lead Flat Nose (LFN) Buffalo Bore loads has Energy Levels of either 1,678 or 1,623 foot pounds at 1,650 or 1,425 feet per second.

A 500 Magnum loaded with almost any bullet available put out 2,254 to 2,877 foot pounds of Energy at 1,400 to 2,100 feet per second.

Most of these cartridges in pistol form put out more energy than a lot of rifles but take practice shooting. A 454 Casull has nearly identical ballistics as a 30-30 Winchester...and a 500 S&W Magnum has close to 1,000 foot pounds of more energy than a 30-30 Winchester rifle.

As a Mountain Guide...I carry a Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum with Buffalo Bore LFN gas checked full metal jacket rounds that hit at 44 Magnum energy levels everywhere but Grizzly Country. Then I carry a Ruger Alaskan Tolkat with 454 Casulls....
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Personally, I consider anything that doesn't have wheels to be too small to fire at a grizzly. Maybe a German 88mm.
that's cause you don;'t live WITH them- I do, I've had a couple of instances where I've had to shoot and a 44 mag 5 inch has served me well- I was a trail boss in exshaw, ab canada
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