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Old 06-05-2017, 04:04 PM   #1
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OK, I'm Stumped!

Front page of the Washington Times (AP photo) shows a slew of Bobbies in the UK with a couple different black carbines.

There appear to be at least two I think are Sigs -their MCX SBR-but the receiver isn't quite right.. Most of them are puzzles. The receiver group appears to be AR like, but the butt stocks are collapasble, like the MP5s.

A quick check on the FN, Sig & HK website leaves me puzzled.

Any ideas?
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Old 06-06-2017, 07:06 AM   #2
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I have seen SMG sized AR's, MP5's, and G36K's.

According to this, there are several more options for the London Bobbies. Seems when they do go armed, they don't muck about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ubmachine_guns
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Old 06-06-2017, 12:19 PM   #3
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William R. Moore,

What fascinates me is that the UK had the BEST SMG around in the STERLING, whether in full-size, "compact" and/or one of the suppressed versions & declared it "obsolete".
(Imo, a 9mm SMG's place isn't generally in a full-scale war but is quite often appropriate for urban "spec ops" police work & in other "close combat".)

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William R. Moore,

What fascinates me is that the UK had the BEST SMG around in the STERLING, whether in full-size, "compact" and/or one of the suppressed versions & declared it "obsolete".
(Imo, a 9mm SMG's place isn't generally in a full-scale war but is quite often appropriate for urban "spec ops" police work & in other "close combat".)

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You're certainly right that the Sterling in many ways is the best SMG ever made. But being open bolt, there's that "shoots like a flintlock" delay that has to be trained into their shooters, and typically you have to shoot on a semi-regular basis to stay frosty with an open bolt. I know there were guys in the Brit military that used to use the Sterling's for rifle competitions on reduced ranges of around 200m and they used to shoot some impressive groups with those open bolt SMG's. But for police issue, the closed bolt SMG is easier to train on and generally easier to use, even though it's not nearly as reliable as the Sterling.
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OK guys, the firearms in question has a magazine that's clearly sized to 5.56 x 45 mm. It's not in any way, shape or form a subgun. The SBR version of several such weapons systems are clearly superior to a subgun. They also seemed to have both a red dot type sight and either a magnifier or NV attachment.

I have a private comm that Sig does indeed have such a HKish stock available for the MCX. The only other possible possibility was a HK based version of the HK53 firing port weapon. HK after all is owned by British Aerospace. I expect they'll do some nice things for the ownership.

That said, there were two firearms in the right hand file of cops that had distinctly different receivers and folding stocks. Couldn't see anything else. That still puzzles me, but I expect the Metropolitan Police have a bunch of stuff in the arms locker.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:34 PM   #6
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Ding, ding, ding: we appear to have an ID on the mystery two long guns. Some variant of the HK G36-there are several cataloged and a few more that aren't.

As previously noted, the others appear to be Sig MCX SBRs.
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Sig MCX, 552, and 553 are all in use by various London units.

I think the G36 variant you're perhaps referencing is the "C" model

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And despite the "aiming point" hat, I'll bet he's pretty good with it...
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